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[Charlie Hatchett]

what exactly did Warren Sharp and Jim Bischoff say about your method of excavation

They said it didn't matter. The carbonate, which can be dated by many methods, deposited on the worked surfaces is all that's necessary to obtain an accurate date. No need for in situ finds.

Things are changing bro. These methods are much more accurate than finding stuff in situ, because items can be redeposited. That possibilty is eliminated with their techniques.

[marduk]

You mean he never mentioned things like Carchemesh, the site of Solomons palace, etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon

After the completion of the temple, Solomon is described as erecting many other buildings of importance in Jerusalem; for the long space of thirteen years he was engaged in the erection of a royal palace on Ophel (a hilly promontory in central Jerusalem); Solomon also constructed great works for the purpose of securing a plentiful supply of water for the city, and the Millo (Septuagint, Acra) for the defense of the city. However, excavations of Jerusalem have shown a distinct lack of monumental architecture from the era, and remains of neither the Temple nor Solomon's palace have been found

[marduk]

Things are changing bro. These methods are much more accurate than finding stuff in situ

so how would you prove that you excavated it and didnt get it from mail order ?
http://paleodirect.com/ach-033.htm

[clubs_stink]

well I did something wrong here...no delete button

[clubs_stink]

[/quote]A bad way to start. The reason there is no clear reference to these events in Egyptian history is that they did not happen in Egyptian history...only in the book of fairy tales that the Judeans whipped up centuries later to give themselves a history.

(Lots of other cultures did the same thing....they were not unique in that, either.)[/quote]

I should have inserted a disclaimer...

DISCLAIMER..I did notice the referances to the bible and the veiled attempts to prop it up as an archeologically valid document ect.

I did notice that, but I ALSO noticed that not everything he wrote was garbage, especially in regards to the ah...historical relics.

I am, more than anything, more interested in things being found where they should not technically be (in regards to the tidy timeline of life and history that the club has outlined for us.)

I'll go put another disclaimer on the 1421 link...I surely know this guy is missing a screw or two, and I've read all the debunkers, and without exception not one of the debunkers even got close to...the ITEMS found where they should not be. So whacko or not, this Mazies guy, underneath all his wishful thinking, has got people thinking outside the club_box. That's always good.

[Charlie Hatchett]

so how would you prove that you excavated it and didnt get it from mail order ?
http://paleodirect.com/ach-033.htm

Matching soil samples surrounding the site, diatom evidence, and, of course, it takes thousands of years for these deposits to accumulate. If they were somehow deposited recently, the dates would come in very, very young. You think you could fool these guys? Also, certain types of rocks are found in different regions. Most of this stuff is Edwards Formation Grey Chert. Very localized to central Texas.

I do still plan to solicit a professional excavation, to pacify the archeologists. They're, for the most part, very ignorant of physics.
And there's plenty of in situ finds to be found. The Pleistocene gravels are absolutely loaded with artifacts. I'm just scratching the surface...time is on my side.

[marduk]

You think you could fool these guys?

lets face it Charlie
if I did it wouldn't be the first time would it

thats why theyre so wary now
this might interest you but they now know who was responsible for the piltdown man hoax
and it was none of the usual suspects:-

Charles Dawson, an amateur archaeologist who brought in the first cranial fragments from Piltdown;

Tielhard de Chardin, theologian and scientist who accompanied Dawson

Arthur Smith Woodward (Keeper of Geology at the British Museum)

W.J. Solass, a professor of geology at Oxford;

Grafton Elliot Smith, who wrote a paper on the find in 1913;

Arthur Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes;

it was in fact
Martin A.C. Hinton, a curator of zoology at the time of the Piltdown hoax. A trunk with Hinton's initials on it was found in an attic of London's Natural History Museum. The trunk contained bones stained and carved in the same way as the Piltdown fossils

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_18974456

[Forum Monk]

You mean he never mentioned things like Carchemesh, the site of Solomons palace, etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon

After the completion of the temple, Solomon is described as erecting many other buildings of importance in Jerusalem; for the long space of thirteen years he was engaged in the erection of a royal palace on Ophel (a hilly promontory in central Jerusalem); Solomon also constructed great works for the purpose of securing a plentiful supply of water for the city, and the Millo (Septuagint, Acra) for the defense of the city. However, excavations of Jerusalem have shown a distinct lack of monumental architecture from the era, and remains of neither the Temple nor Solomon's palace have been found

You are correct about Jerusalem but I was referring to the Mediggo site. Just ran off to look it up and its never been undeniably tied to solomon. But had it not been mentioned, they may never of excavatd Tell Mediggo.

[Minimalist]

So whacko or not, this Mazies guy, underneath all his wishful thinking, has got people thinking outside the club_box. That's always good.

Thinking outside the box is always good but 1421 is a book that I couldn't finish. Too much of his 'evidence' was that "the evidence had been destroyed."

I also find it unlikely that a Chinese fleet of that scope had sailed into the Atlantic and then visited Cape Cod but not Lisbon. Zhang He was allegedly carrying the Chinese standard to the rest of the world....why ignore Europe? Also seems highly unlikely that they would not have been seen by some Portuguese or Spanish vessel.

[Cognito]

The trunk contained bones stained and carved in the same way as the Piltdown fossils

Charlie ... you don't have a trunk with rocks in it, do you?

Just kidding.

Marduk, it's like my site. When I find something to write home about, a professional archaeologist can come in and excavate properly. There is an abundance of tools to be found no matter how many I pick up on the surface. Charlie can do the same when he receives his initial dating should it come in where he thinks. Basically, a replicable situation, right?

[Minimalist]

After the completion of the temple, Solomon is described as erecting many other buildings of importance in Jerusalem

And yet despite prolonged digging archaeology has never turned up so much as a brick from any of the alleged Solomon's alleged building projects.

The current best theory for this is that until the reign of Hezekiah, after he sold out the Israelites and became a vassal to the Assyrians, Jerusalem was little more than a hill top village with no monumental architecture.

[Charlie Hatchett]

lets face it Charlie
if I did it wouldn't be the first time would it

thats why theyre so wary now
this might interest you but they now know who was responsible for the piltdown man hoax
and it was none of the usual suspects:-

Charles Dawson, an amateur archaeologist who brought in the first cranial fragments from Piltdown;

Tielhard de Chardin, theologian and scientist who accompanied Dawson

Arthur Smith Woodward (Keeper of Geology at the British Museum)

W.J. Solass, a professor of geology at Oxford;

Grafton Elliot Smith, who wrote a paper on the find in 1913;

Arthur Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes;

it was in fact
Martin A.C. Hinton, a curator of zoology at the time of the Piltdown hoax. A trunk with Hinton's initials on it was found in an attic of London's Natural History Museum. The trunk contained bones stained and carved in the same way as the Piltdown fossils

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ ... i_18974456

So this is a veiled accusation of forgery? So I'm the Club to you, I guess. But you told Min, in many rude and condescending ways, that clubs don't exist...except when it comes to you, ey?

I invite you to come inspect for yourself...until then, knock of the accusations. Shut up, or put up, Boy...no, I didn't say Leroy.

Many seasoned veterans have studied my stuff, and find it to be authentic.
So, it's not just an amatuer, but many other pro's that think this stuff is valid.

[Forum Monk]

The current best theory for this is that until the reign of Hezekiah, after he sold out the Israelites and became a vassal to the Assyrians, Jerusalem was little more than a hill top village with no monumental architecture.

Yeah, there's this thing call the Dome of the Rock on that lil 'ole hill top right now. Its seems to be standing in the way of excavations.


(Good .. everything is slower...now I can catch up again.)

[Digit]

It sure is Monk, and if the Iranians ever do nuke Jerusalem there'll likely be war between Shia Iran and the Sunni majority as the Sunni consider Shia as a bigger heresy than Christendom.

[Minimalist]

The Waqf has been digging underneath the Dome and dumping the fill where Israeli archaeologist, Gabriel Barkay, has been sifting through it.

His finds cover a great range of time but little or nothing from the 10th century...the supposed time of Solomon.

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/News/20051222.htm

As can be seen, his greatest find has been this seal, from the 6th century BC, which is shortly before the Babylonians 'renovated' the place.

One of the names on the seal ended with the Hebrew letters "yehu". Dr. Barkay stated that this is a direct greeting from the house of King David. He dated the seal to the 6th Century B.C.E.

Let us not forget that Herod the Great completed a monumental re-building of the temple complete with a new retaining wall and who-knows how many million tons of fill. Archaeologists cannot even find a significant amount of broken pottery from the 10th century...let alone bricks from a temple. The image which comes across is of a poverty-stricken region with minimal population existing as pastoralists while the much richer northern kingdom of Israel was a major player on the regional stage.