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Hello Ftabash and welcome. I look forward to understanding your name.

Please join in, there has been a lack of sensible postings lately. I had never heard of the spheres before, any pictures you could post? Welcome aboard

pictures have already beenposted concerning the spheres. unfortunately, you have to do a lot of looking throughout the two threads to find them.

We'll carry on digging

good answer but digging for what?

Ftabash wrote:Hi.
I should really introduce myself, I am writing from Sarajevo, and have become interested in archeology since we started buliding pyramids.
Anyway, I 've been following this thread for a while now, (as well as others, special praise goes to FOTG thread) and after all of the fuss about "pyramids", which will carry on to flare people's imagination anyway,
I would like to point out that I still didn't get the answer about those stone balls or spheres or whatever you call them, that were found in Bosnia and that are identical to those found in Central America. Its something that really intrigues me 'cos I ve got one of them right here in front of me.
It was dug up by my grandfather about 70 years ago, together with 20 other balls, whille digging the well near Sarajevo. Its a perfect sphere about a metar high and, sorry can't remember the word in English for the other dimension, but its about one metar as well.
It's been in my house for a generation and I know few other people that treasure the same things.
What are they? We don't know but we keep them.
Any archeological value there? I don't know, but they look man made and have been found together. And, no, they are not cannonballs.
One more thing, if I can, I wouldn't like anyone to think that I work for Semir or doing this for some sort Bosnian patriotism but this should be pointed out also:
That Dr. Schoch have confirmed natural formation of Visocica hill is also credit to the Osmanagic's fondation who payed for THEIR visit to Visoko,
expecting scientific inquiry ( which it got from Dr. Scoch) but not this egotrip of his bodyguard.
Hope you don't mind if I join you on other threads.

Geodes?

The stone balls of Costa Rica are man made out of andesite granite. Very interesting objects.

Others around the world are formed by way of a geologic process, and more than likely that is true of the Bosnian balls - but time will tell.

Hanson, W. D., and J. M. Howard, 2005, Spherical Boulders
in North-Central Arkansas. Arkansas geological Commision
Miscellaneous Publication no. 22, 16 pp.

It can be downloaded from:

http://www.state.ar.us/agc/mp22.pdf

Also, similarlarge stone spheres known as "Moeraki boulders"
are also natural in origin. Pictures of Moeraki Boulders can be
found at:

http://homepages.ezysurf.co.nz/~middlei ... lders.html

Boles, J. R., Landis, C. A., and Dale, P., 1985, The Moeraki
Boulders; anatomy of some septarian concretions.
Journal of Sedimentary Petrology. vol. 55, no. 3,
pp. 398-406.

Brunsden, Denys, 1969, Mystery of the Moeraki and Katiki
boulders. Geographical Magazine London. vol. 41, no. 11,
pp. 839-843

Forsyth, P. J., and Coates, G., 1992, The Moeraki boulders.
Institute of Geological & Nuclear Sciences, Lower Hutt,
New Zealand.

Klug, H., and Zakrzewski, R., 1986, Die Moeraki Boulders;
Riesenkonkretionen am Strand auf Neuseelands Suedinsel
[The Moeraki boulders; giant concretions of the beach of
New Zealand's South Island.Schriften des
Naturwissenschaftlichen Vereins fuer Schleswig-Holstein.
vol. 56, pp. 47-52

Thyne, Geoffrey D., and Boles, James R., 1989, Isotopic
evidence for origin of the Moeraki septarian concretions,
New Zealand. Journal of Sedimentary Petrology. vol. 59,
no. 2, pp. 272-279

Bosnia
"Theory is that the balls were created at the same time as the pyramids in the Bosnian Valley of Pyramids and that their existence proves an ancient civilisation existed in today’s Bosnia"

Costa Rica
"Stone balls are known from archaeological sites and buried strata that have only pottery characteristic of the Aguas Buenas culture, whose dates range from ca. 200 BC to AD 800"

Bosnia
Bosnian writer Ahmed Bosniæ has recently returned from the Bosnian River Valley where he visited the village of Ozimicama and found a significant concentration of the stone balls

Costa Rica
They were originally found in the delta of the Térraba River, also known as the Sierpe, Diquís, and General River, near the towns of Palmar Sur and Palmar Norte

the current geological theory is that these stone spheres are formed naturally by water in rivers
in both cases they are only found near rivers and significantly unlike almost every other anomaly of this type no half finished spheres have ever been found


clearly however if they are man made then they date from no earlier than 200 BC to AD 800 which means they are completely unconnected to claims of a 12,000 year old pyramid at Visoko because the only significant thing on the hill during that period was a roman watchtower

Thank you Marduk, a very informative post. You answered all of my questions.

Thank you Marduk

please don't encourage him; he is like a stray dog, feed him once and he keeps coming back for more. (ha)

Thanks to all for warm welcome.

Concerning stone balls (spheres) I always thought that they might be catapult ammunition, but what confused me was that no ancient settlement was ever found near the place where they were dug up.
Maybe some army was on the move and just left them there.
I have to point out that they were found not so deep underground (maybe a metar or so) so that excludes 12000 year old civilization theories we ve heard so often recently.

Quote:
We'll carry on digging


good answer but digging for what?

That was a joke but it has some truth in itself cos this "thing" in Visoko will carry on regardless of what Dr.Schoch says, undereducated people will see there pyramids for years to come.

By the way if I missspell something or miss some articles (a or the) please forgive me, its been some time since I ve written in English.

No problem.

You know to capitalize the first letter of a sentence!

--J.D.

Ftabash wrote:Thanks to all for warm welcome.

Concerning stone balls (spheres) I always thought that they might be catapult ammunition, but what confused me was that no ancient settlement was ever found near the place where they were dug up.
Maybe some army was on the move and just left them there.
I have to point out that they were found not so deep underground (maybe a metar or so) so that excludes 12000 year old civilization theories we ve heard so often recently.

Quote:
We'll carry on digging


good answer but digging for what?

That was a joke but it has some truth in itself cos this "thing" in Visoko will carry on regardless of what Dr.Schoch says, undereducated people will see there pyramids for years to come.

By the way if I missspell something or miss some articles (a or the) please forgive me, its been some time since I ve written in English.

Keep us posted about the stone balls if you would. Also, I think I read that the hills around Visococa may be made into a park of "natural wonders" or something like that. That seems to have a lot of merit. That is a really beautiful area.

aparantly, the matter just won't die as anothe regyptologist makes a name for himself and tries to escape the shadow cast by Hawass:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/ap_ ... a_pyramids

Start now! This is the time. You are just scratching the surface. There is a lot to do here. Egypt can help you with experts," he said.

He said he could claim with certainly that the pavements on the Pljesivica hill "cannot be naturally composed."

"What we are missing here are artifacts, organic material. But this kind of work should continue until facts are found," he said

lets hear some opinions...

hes an idiot

"What we are missing here are artifacts"

so like he was expecting to find artifacts in a geological formation

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/ap ... pyramids

Perphaps this should be posted under the thread I started
yesterday called "the press."
There are at least two statements in this article that wouldn't stand up to the most basic fact- checking.

One is that pavement has been discovered at several levels.
Another is that there is no "archaeological institute" in Bosnia.
(The Archaeologists in Bosnia already knew what was there.)

THen there's the fallacy that they need to keep digging....they have already removed enough dirt to fill up the fountain sof the deep and have found few artifacts!!.

I agree stan, if they were made of intelligent design maybe we ought to be ready to put it back the way it was.

You have to be patient. This might take decades," he said

what it seems to me is that Os has finally found an ally to shore up his flagging adventure. the britsh guy underminded him, barakat was too weak and did not possess enough stature to reinforce the concept put forth, schoch let him down with his assessment.

i guess Os will not give up trying and will dig forever or until he has enough privacy to construct his own pyramid to prove his rantings.