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Read about the Gallina tower many years ago where a european type fortress was found in NW New Mexico. Inside were many skeletons showing trauma. Now they have more of the Gallina in a similar shape. Their skulls had a peculiar flatting on the the indback, unlike igenous tribes Has any one been curious about the DNA, or facial form of the Gallina? It seems strange to me that all the local tribes would, and probably did, wipe them out. This was in the 1200s. Since they built the only euopean type defense buildings yet found-------------?

This what you mean, Gunny?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... cre_2.html

Was It Genocide?

Traces of the Gallina culture were first discovered in the 1930s by archaeologists working just a few miles from the newfound massacre site.

Scientists at the time described excavating a 25-foot-tall (7.6-meter-tall) circular stone tower that held the remains of 16 people, all of whom bore signs of gruesome deaths (see a picture of the tower ruins).

Since then several Gallina sites have been excavated, but scholarship on the culture's origins and demise have been limited, Nelson noted.

No--------read that.---------Another area showing the tower and the charistastics of the bones. These people have to looked different from the tribes nearby to like aliens on wall street. Were they White? Vikings lost? Welch wandering? Love this.

Is that what your looking for Gunny...

http://www.dickshovel.com/coree1.html

Owen Gwynned was descended from Viking kings of Dublin. According to the exhaustive study of the Welsh Indian legends, Madoc and the Discovery of America, by Richard Deacon, Madoc was the son of Owen Gwynned by Brenda, daughter of Howell of Carno. The ancestry of his father and the name of his mother indicate the mythology that drove Madoc. Deacon clearly indicates that Owen Gwynned cohabited with many of the royalty he visited or conquered in war, in his constant struggle against the European Normans and their allies. Celts generally followed this pattern, when they came from Wales, Scotland or Ireland to America, thus having sons in line for kingship among many Indian tribes. This is too well known a pattern to belabor.

The Madoc myth has been even more exhaustively and authoritatively worked by Gwyn A. Williams. His Madoc, The Legend of the Welsh Discovery of America, published by Eyre Methuen, Ltd. and the Oxford University Press in 1979 is the definitive discussion of this legend. It seems to establish the Madoc colonies as fact to be dealt with in any Serious discussion of American Indian history.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

Perhaps these early European's where here.
But the deforming of the heads is not a European trait.
Certain Native American tribes and Central American's (Mayan)
have this custom.

The more you dig the more mysteries appear that are being ignored.
If NA was colonised from the east, or very early, suerely this is important?

As mentioned----has there been any DNA-----facial data on these people? They pissed off a lot of people ---- they had to look different than the current inhabitants. Obviously not Vikings, they would have kikked their ass.

Their skulls had a peculiar flatting on the the indback, unlike igenous tribes Has any one been curious about the DNA, or facial form of the Gallina? It seems strange to me that all the local tribes would, and probably did, wipe them out. This was in the 1200s. Since they built the only euopean type defense buildings yet found-------------?

Gunny, a round tower is not necessarily evidence of a European presence since Native American rounded constructions are evident throughoiut the Southwest United States and Mexico. A severe and prolonged drought leading up to and including the 1200s in the Southwest resulted in the displacement of the Anasazi culture as well as others (many of them absorbed into the Pueblo culture along the Rio Grande). Violence appears to have been commonplace at that time as many dwelling structures were moved to high cliffs for protection.

Further to what Cog said, when groups are partially isolated by either geography or language (even when living in close proximity to unrelated groups) there's probably going to be sufficient restrictions on the gene pool to give them a certain look within a few generations, and even if it's something as subtle as bigger eyebrows, those features are going to seem significant (from the viewpoint of outsiders) particularly if the Big Eyebrow people speak a different language or prefer a less fancy type of clay pot. All I'm saying is the differences don't have to be as dramatic as white skin, ginger hair, and an ear for heavy metal music.

You are saying the Rolling Stones would not haved survived very long?

gunny wrote:No--------read that.---------Another area showing the tower and the charistastics of the bones. These people have to looked different from the tribes nearby to like aliens on wall street. Were they White? Vikings lost? Welch wandering? Love this.

If they were Vikings, or Welsh, they were late by a couple, or even 4, centuries!
St. Brendan beat 'm to it:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan

Just about every European country on the western sea board claims to have 'discovered' the New World RS. And possbly true.
Our ancestors seem to have been more willing to take risks than is common today.
In the early days of the sailing trips to the 'spice islands' the losses in ships and men was pretty high, but the profits were such that the ship owners reckoned they could still make a profit if only one in six ships returned.

That could work, it you didn't pay the men until you got back.

Question, why does it seem the captain's ship usually made it back while the others in the fleet went down?

During the period of Britain's 'wooden walls' Monk, a Captain, commanded a ship but did not run the ship, that was the responsibility of the 'Master' who was normally an NCO. In the Merchant Marine ship's Captains were often the owner or partner in the ship.
Where I live on the coast of Wales the local men, uptill virtually WW2 had two choices, the land or the sea. Many chose the sea, and the cliff tops here are frequently surmounted by very large houses that were built by retired Captains when they 'Swallowed the Anchor.'
Much rubbish is written about the Royal Navy which was rarely short of volunteers, including women. Some women fought aboard 'Victory' at Trafalgar.

Women fighting on the Victory! Women fighting on HMSs? Make a dandy novel. and a nice money movie! Write it!

Where did the ladies sleep?