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Right, I've got my tin hat on so can anyone say anything about this. (Min excluded!)

Dinosaur Extinction: The Evidence


Human & Dinosaur Fossils. Human bones and tools coexist in the same fossil layers as dinosaur bones in Texas and the Dakotas.
Human & Dinosaur Footprints. Footprints of dinosaurs, humans and other mammals coexist in the same fossil layers in Texas and New Mexico.
Native American Petroglyphs. Cave and cliff drawings in Utah and Colorado crudely depict certain dinosaur species (dated from 400 A.D. to 1300 A.D.).
Ica Stones. Ceremonial burial stones discovered in Ica, Peru depict numerous species of dinosaurs, some in activities with man (dated from 500 A.D. to 1500 A.D.).
Acambaro Figurines. Ceramic and stone figurines discovered in Acambaro, Mexico represent many species of dinosaurs (dated from 800 B.C. to 200 A.D.).

Good on yer Min. Pehaps we should ask Arch?
Joking aside either the 'evidence' is out of context, been misinterpreted, some one's lying, or it's correct.
Unfortunately the article shows no site names etc which is why I asked.

http://skepdic.com/icastones.html

http://paranormal.about.com/cs/ancienta ... 041904.htm

Digit wrote:Right, I've got my tin hat on so can anyone say anything about this. (Min excluded!)

Dinosaur Extinction: The Evidence

Human & Dinosaur Fossils. Human bones and tools coexist in the same fossil layers as dinosaur bones in Texas and the Dakotas.
Human & Dinosaur Footprints. Footprints of dinosaurs, humans and other mammals coexist in the same fossil layers in Texas and New Mexico.
Native American Petroglyphs. Cave and cliff drawings in Utah and Colorado crudely depict certain dinosaur species (dated from 400 A.D. to 1300 A.D.).
Ica Stones. Ceremonial burial stones discovered in Ica, Peru depict numerous species of dinosaurs, some in activities with man (dated from 500 A.D. to 1500 A.D.).
Acambaro Figurines. Ceramic and stone figurines discovered in Acambaro, Mexico represent many species of dinosaurs (dated from 800 B.C. to 200 A.D.).

How about Europe's St. George legend? And all associated, subsequent texts and images? Clearly St. George fought a dinosaur. That story – and many in the same vein – seems to originate somewhere in the very early middle ages.

Nice, entertaining stories, but LEGENDS nevertheless. There never were dino's in the past 65 million years. So never contemporarily with man. I.o.w.: BULLSHIT.

Same with your petroglyphs, Dig. When you see them, you're looking at a storybook. At fairy tales.

This is the warning signal.

Digit wrote:Unfortunately the article shows no site names etc which is why I asked.

In the same vein....

Cinnamon is imported from another planet.

http://www.davesweboflies.com/dwol.htm

Hi

As far as i understad the dinasaurs still exist. Birds are dinasaurs.

Kim

There has been a small but steady drumbeat of evidence in that direction, Pippin.

Which leads me to another of my hobby horses, though whether it should be on this thread or the one about cyclic events I'm not sure.
To whit! Large comet impacts the Earth and the dinosaurs are wiped out. Cosmic ethnic cleansing? I know the idea sounds good but when you look at what didn't die out the idea seems a lot less plausible.

I think it depends on whether you want to believe aliens killed them all or possibly pre-clovis hunters with their wonderful stone technology?
Or maybe the Earth a private hunting ground for one of the many mythical clubs that exist just to create a conspiracy so that no-one will ever take your opinions seriously could it be time for a trip to area 51???

Pippin wrote:Hi

As far as i understad the dinasaurs still exist. Birds are dinasaurs.

Kim

Correct Kim. But that's not the type of dino they mean when they claim 'dino's walked the earth together with man'. They mean the T.Rex, Brontosaurus, and Stegosaurus kinds.

Actually FT I don't want to believe either alternative, I would rather have a clear idea of why they died out than outlandish theories. Why did birds survive? Why some Crocodilians? Why some Turtles, and why, conversely did some not.
The 50 Kg dividing line as proposed by some seems as porous as a piece of net!

Digit wrote:
I would rather have a clear idea of why they died out than outlandish theories.

Anything that we have not witnessed for ourselves tends to sound like 'outlandish theories' to our ears, Dig. That's "the box" which is most people's limited scope. It pays to think "outside the box".

Why did birds survive? Why some Crocodilians? Why some Turtles, and why, conversely did some not.
The 50 Kg dividing line as proposed by some seems as porous as a piece of net!

The 65 KTA event caused "nuclear winter" on earth. 80% of land flora, and 95% of sea flora, died off. For years! Probably decades! No more food for big vegetarians ("dino cows"). They went extinct. So also no more food for big predators. They went extinct.

Birds survived, because a) they were much smaller, so needed much less food (quantity wise), and b) they could cover vast distances in search of food. Land-dino's could not!
Crocodilians survived because crocodilians burrow (like the mammals that survived did too). Example: in the far west of the Sahara desert, 3,000 bone-dry sandy miles from Egypt, there survives a population – today! – of a few thousand Nile crocodiles. They survive in the middle of the desert around very rare water holes that dry up for 6 months each year by burrowing in the dry(est) season (it's all bone dry of course, but still there are seasonal differences). And they burrow deep! I've seen them burrowed 100/150 feet deep!
Until very recently the local human population knew about their existence, but not about how they survived the dry seasons, so they regarded those crocs-that-no-one-sees-for-6-months-each-year as spirits, gods.
Those crocs are the survivors of the time when the Sahara was green and wet. When the Sahara dried up, I'm guessing between 7,000 and 4,000 BC, they were cut off from the 'rest' of the Nile crocs. Nevertheless: they adapted to new conditions and managed to survive at least 6,000 years!

Why some Turtles, and why, conversely did some not.

I'm guessing the cause was some turtle species ate specialized flora (like Koalas eat only Eucalyptus, or Pandas only Bamboo), which was wiped out by the KTA event, while other turtle species were less picky.

Human & Dinosaur Fossils. Human bones and tools coexist in the same fossil layers as dinosaur bones in Texas and the Dakotas.



http://www.flintstonesbedrockcity.com/gallery.php

Here we have living proof, IN SOUTH DAKOTA, that early man
both lived and walked with the dinosaurs!
It's enough proof for me!

All of that may well be accurate, but I think 'outside the box' .
Birds are warm blooded, with a few exceptions, and therefore need a constant supply of food. If birds found sufficient to live on for the months/years of nuclear winter why didn't similar sized dinos.
Why did some turtles survive?
If, as is claimed by some, that wild fires covered the Earth, and they need that scenario to explain their claimed CO2 rise to fuel their claimed massive temp increase, where was the the basis of the food chain needed by any animal?
Those species that survived must have been able to survive on what was left after all the gloom and doom had reached its height, what is the common factor that links all those surviving species? I can find none.
There is not even any conclusive evidence to link the Iridium layer to the time of the dino's extinction. That may have been the case but dino species had been in decline for years before.
If the strike killed off the dinos, and other large animals rapidly, there should have been many thousands of corpses immediately below the Iridium, because no such number of dinos should have died in such a short time under 'normal' conditions.
This does not appear to be the case.
The supporters of the idea claim that earthquakes and volcanic activity would have resulted from the strike. This should have preserved some at least of the millions of corpses that are supposed to have been laying around.
Again this seems not have been the case.
When I see answers to these and other points I consider the case not proven. I even used all this in the book I wrote, but I don't have to accept it.