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Digit · Post by **Digit** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:49 pm

The land bridge indeed. SOUTH OF THE SUNDA TRENCH.
After 30000 yrs living in Australia, which has no permanent bodies of deep open water, boat building skills had probably been lost.
Perhaps you'd care to challenge my other points and explain them away.
The time taken from the Andaman Islands to Australia?
The distance of the Andaman Islands from the nearest land masses?
The depths of water surrounding the Andaman Islands?
The fact that no evidence of Negrito settlements has ever been found away from coastal areas?
The fact that the Sunda Trench has been oceanic since before Homo?
The fact that no marsupial ever made it north across the the Sunda Trench?
The fact that no Asiatic species, other than flyers, ever made it south of the Sunda Trench?
The speed with which man made it from north America to Terra del Fuego?
In addition there are folk tales here in Wales, and in Ireland, that the Welsh and Irish crossed the Atlantic by following the Great Auk, which apparently stayed south of the pack ice and dodged the Gulf Stream.

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:35 pm

Digit wrote:
[...] explain them away. [...]

Sure, mate.
Have you got a decade or two?

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:48 pm

Your comments below the map fail to take into account that the Sunda Trench has been extensively explored and has never been shallow enough for walking across during the time periods under discussion, or do you refuse to accept the geological eveidence? If so please present your evidence. When are you going to raise the subject of the small marsupials that have made over the Sunda? I've been on tenterhooks for ages.

Sam Salmon · Post by **Sam Salmon** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:05 pm

Rokcet Scientist wrote:So let me get that straight:
the people that colonized the Andamans and shortly thereafter Oz were accomplished seafarers. Then they trekked south to Tasmania overland, and when sea levels rose they had suddenly forgotten how their ancestors travelled the high seas for aeons?

That's what happened to the Polynesians who settled on Rapa Nui (Easter Island to you), after colonising the island they lost the knowledge of how to build ocean going boats and how to navigate-and this in relatively modern times-so it can and does happen.

In other words-nothing stays the same forever.

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:20 am

http://cat.he.net/~archaeol/9703/etc/specialreport.html

Something else here for RS to ignore Sam.
The fact that the Aboriginies had no knowledge of seaworthy boats after so long away from sea applies elsewhere also. 10000 yrs ago I doubt you would have found many people in Wyoming, central Brazil or Switzerland similarly skilled.

gunny · Post by **gunny** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:41 am

Speaking of the Irish, St. Brendan's legend about sailing an ox-leather curragh in the sixth century Noth America cannot be overlooked. The Vikings found Irish monks in Iceland, and stone huts in Greenland. Unexplained, Irish type stone dwellings on a coast in New England?

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:47 am

The fact that, initially, people were not aware of the distance to be covered Gunny, seems to suggest a very venturous spirit.

gunny · Post by **gunny** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:30 am

Sixth century an interesting era--Romans gone, King Arthur and his merry crew repelling the Saxons. Would be an adventure to live then with a broadsword and an AK-47.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:43 am

UNtil you ran out of bullets!

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:36 pm

Okay...new finds for the boats-first crowd!

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=396609

The bison-bone bonanza is to be highlighted at a major international archeological conference this week in Vancouver. The event follows the publication of a U.S. study earlier this month in the journal Science that proposed a new "working model" for when and how ancient humans first spread from northeast Asia to the northwest corner of the Americas.

That study -- along with the bison finds and a growing number of other archeological sites suggesting an earlier arrival for humans to this hemisphere -- adds credence to a controversial theory that ancient seafarers, travelling by boat along the ice-fringed B.C. coast, launched the peopling of the New World about 15,000 years ago.

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:02 pm

a controversial theory that ancient seafarers, travelling by boat along the ice-fringed B.C. coast, launched the peopling of the New World about 15,000 years ago.

Why 'only' 15,000 years ago. That's just marginally longer ago than the Club's premise, even if by other means.
Charlie's and others' thousands of hand axes and knapping tools indicate – if not prove – a far earlier influx of the Americas.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:14 pm

There are NO handaxes in North America!

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:36 pm

Somebody missed a market there I think Min!

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:12 am

BTW, where is Charlie?

gunny · Post by **gunny** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:40 am

Charlie, it appears, got no repect here. Ma'at much nicer?