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The First Boat People - Review

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:03 pm
by Beagle
http://books.google.com/books?id=gCLSgb ... en#PPP1,M1
The First Boat People concerns how people travelled across the world to Australia in the Pleistocene. It traces movement from Africa to Australia, offering a new view of population growth at that time,
Here is a Google book review. It seems well done to me, from the portions that are provided.

I can find some pictures of early boats, including recreations by Bednarik and Heyerdahl.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:14 pm
by Ishtar

Therefore, once on Flores, Homo Erectus could move on another 600 kms without getting his feet wet. ...therefore, Homo Erectus's ability to make such a journey could have put him in East Timor.
But does he still have get across that deep water channel?

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:25 pm
by Ishtar
Ishtar wrote:

Therefore, once on Flores, Homo Erectus could move on another 600 kms without getting his feet wet. ...therefore, Homo Erectus's ability to make such a journey could have put him in East Timor.
But does he still have get across that deep water channel?
No. I've just looked on Google Earth and East Timor is past the Lombuk strait.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:08 pm
by Beagle
http://63.240.200.111/articles/20031018/bob8.asp
However, archaeologists have found precious few remains of prehistoric rafts and boats. The oldest such finds, including wooden canoes and paddles, come from northern Europe and date to at most 9,000 years ago.

"A quantum leap in cognition and technology occurred around 900,000 years ago," Bednarik says. "All the traits that fundamentally define modern humans were first developed by Homo erectus."
Our Stone Age ancestors were certainly smart enough to have traversed a nautical obstacle course such as the Lombok Strait, Bednarik contended in the April Cambridge Archaeological Journal. Findings by researchers working in Asia and Africa suggest that rock art, decorative beads, engraved stones, and hunting spears all originated at least several hundred thousand years before the appearance of H. sapiens. Such accomplishments would require that individuals speak to one another and assign abstract meanings to various objects and symbols, in Bednarik's opinion.

He suspects that genetic and cultural evolution played out slowly among human ancestors over the past 2 million years. Groups that moved across Africa and Asia interbred to some extent and passed cultural innovations back and forth.

In this continental melting pot, a hazy biological boundary separated H. erectus from H. sapiens. About 1 million years ago, Stone Age Asians probably congregated near coasts, and their fishing rafts were eventually adapted for sea travel. Remains of these shore inhabitants would have since become submerged and so are unavailable to archaeologists.
This article will be helpful. We first studied Bednariks work in this area about two years ago. If you accept "Erectus Ahoy", then many things make more sense. 8)

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:31 pm
by kbs2244
Wow!
I might actually have to buy this one.
It looks to be well done.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:17 pm
by Minimalist
:D
Some scientists suspect that small numbers of Stone Age folk accidentally drifted as far as Flores after climbing onto thick mats of vegetation that sometimes form near the Southeast Asian coast.

I wonder if those "scientists" put any thought into what would make someone climb onto a mat of "vegetation" and set out to sea? One would need one hell of a reason in my book.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:34 pm
by Sam Salmon
Minimalist wrote::D
Some scientists suspect that small numbers of Stone Age folk accidentally drifted as far as Flores after climbing onto thick mats of vegetation that sometimes form near the Southeast Asian coast.

I wonder if those "scientists" put any thought into what would make someone climb onto a mat of "vegetation" and set out to sea? One would need one hell of a reason in my book.
In recent times monkeys have ended up travelling from one Caribbean Island to another on similar mats of vegetation-circumstances brought about by catastrophic climatic events-it's not out of the realm of possibility that something similar could have happened to humans.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:59 pm
by Minimalist
I don't know, Sam. Seems like a real stretch.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:36 am
by Ishtar
This book is beautifully written, which helps even an amateur like me to understand this whole subject. I'm reading it in my lunch hour, and thoroughly enjoying it.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:02 am
by Digit
The argument against the floating vegetation scenario is that DNA has already established that the migration was by large numbers, relatively, of people.
Smaller animals have always 'rafted', the only species known to have crossed the Sunda are small marsupials that came fro the south, likewise the early 'monkeys' of the new world probably rafted from the old world.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:54 am
by Ishtar
Hi Dig,

What about papyrus rafts?

Also, I've been wondering where the theories about population numbers come from.

When I read in this book extract about small population numbers, it immediately triggered the question in my mind 'how do they know the numbers were small?'. But I hate asking these rookie questions because it holds up the debate for you more knowledgeable guys.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:12 am
by Digit
DNA divercity I believe Ish.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:28 am
by Beagle

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:29 pm
by Minimalist
We should appoint you the site Librarian, Beags.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:07 pm
by Beagle
Oh no, that post above was pure coincidence. I had just read it, and suddenly I saw a question regarding the same subject.

I would be a poor Librarian.