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[RK Awl-O'Gist]

because of the malnutrition of the slave women, they werent breeding, and the total population was in continual and more or less steady decline.

That's the Roman provinces taken care of; now what about Scotland, Ireland and Wales which were never fully conquered by the Romans?

For a long time the Legions were simply used as raiding parties to get slaves

Rubbish. With all the slaves already available in the Empire, and the conquered British tribes in England, not to mention those quick enough to ally themselves, why bother?

And by the 5th century, shortly after Christianization, the Bishops began burning the witches because of their "family planning services"

NO-ONE was burning 'witches' in 5th century Britain.

. But in any case, by the time the barbarians arrived in Britain, many estates had already been abandoned

And the new arrivals promptly took them over, as they had clearly defined boundaries, and buildings which only required a minimum of maintenance to be habitable.

That's the thing, nobody seems to bother calculating how many slaves were used up in the monumental stonework rather than being used to provide an adequate diet for the lower classes

Both Hadrian's and the Antonine Wall were built by the Roman army. Although many Roman towns were rebuilt and refortified in the 5th century (the classic example being Silchester [Calleva Atrebatum]), no-one built 'monumental stonework' again in Britain until centuries later.

Had Hitler stopped to consolidate his rule and organize production after conquering Western Europe, he could have avoided war with the US and then cleaned the Commie's clock with a fully operational West European economy. But, he got suckered by the glory, like so many other victorious tyrants.

He was already fighting the British Empire, which had no intentions of giving in. And from 1940 onwards, the Lease-Lend agreement with Roosevelt meant it was only a matter of time before America was involved.

The American empire has done so much better because so much battle was done remotely, depending on the geeks navigating the bombers, who after the war came home and worked pushing paper for the transnationals

I'll bet the idea of an American 'Empire' will comes as news to a lot of people"!

Another tidbit from the net a few years back was a report of a farm found in Southern Germany- complete with a set of Roman farming tools. Seems like, as the empire lost control, some peasants grabbed the tools and split for the boondox in Germany, starting out as free men pioneering in the Black Forest. Which would also have caused a population decline.

And what about the thousands of Barbarians who were already living in the Black Forest? Wouldn't they have objected to someone taking over 'their' land, and wouldn't these farmers have finished up with new overlords more brutal than the ones they had fled?

"LIfe in a Medieval Village" taken from the court records of an out of the way obscure English Midlands village shows how, when the abbot landlord tried to raise taxes, the *whole* village got up and moved into the woods.
Only when the abbot caved did they come back, months later. The idea that they would have starved is challenged by the lab analysis of bog body stomachs which show nearly 100 wild berries, tubers, nuts, and seeds in the diet. The social predators dont study that stuff, its too boring.

And does this book explain why the Abbot didn't just have them declared 'outlaws' and started attracting new tenants, etc to this town? Or why the town survived long enough for them to come back?

[daybrown]

<And does this book explain why the Abbot didn't just have them declared 'outlaws' and started attracting new tenants, etc to this town? Or why the town survived long enough for them to come back?>
I dont have time to respond to all your points. But these records come from the 12th century in a region that was out of the way of the movements of all the armies that swept thru since. Which is why the court record survived.

Its just a village, not a town. 60-100 people. I havent checked the dates, but it may be that this all came down after the Black Death, and the Abbot couldnt *find* anyone else. The plagues created unprecidented levels of social mobility, and the yeoman class was asking for, and getting much higher pay.

The record challenges lots of other ideas from the traditional historical records. They didnt have a church, much less a priest. The Abbot came by for 'lord's court' once a year, and would perform marriages at the time, but also recognize the traditional pagan 'year & a day', jumping the broom contracts.

I didnt say where the monumental stonework was, but the history channel is full of the video from Rome. I dunno about Scotland, but the historical data on the resurgence of Ireland after the fall of the Empire is well known. The pagans treated their slaves very differently. For one thing, like St. Patrick, they were hauled so far away that they could not have some hope of escaping and returning home. Make slaves miserable enough, and they will try... if it aint too far. Romans and Christians didnt care, didnt have the problem.

Another problem with the historical record is that were vast Barbarian cities that only now that we have magnetometers, are being found. No stonework, just the charred post stubs in the ground. It may have been a dark age in Christian Western Europe, but it was high on the hog for the Viking cities like Keiv in Eastern Europe. The Vikings may have raised hell with the fundies, but they had a mercantile empire that stretched from the Caspain sea to Iceland, and collected tribute from Constantinople to boot.

As long as they worshiped the Almighty Dallar, they did ok, but that whole trip came apart when they started worshiping Jesus. It gave kings a big head.

[RK Awl-O'Gist]

[quote="daybrownI dont have time to respond to all your points. But these records come from the 12th century in a region that was out of the way of the movements of all the armies that swept thru since. Which is why the court record survived. [/quote]

If the village was in the English midlands, as I think you said originally, there was every chance of it being invaded by the Scots. Under King David I of Scotland, the whole of the north of England as far south as Lancashire was under Scottish control in the 1140s. Carlisle castle in England was actually built by the Scots during this period.

Its just a village, not a town. 60-100 people. I havent checked the dates, but it may be that this all came down after the Black Death, and the Abbot couldnt *find* anyone else. The plagues created unprecidented levels of social mobility, and the yeoman class was asking for, and getting much higher pay

True, but the Black Death was in 1348, this happened 200 years before. If this was ecclesiastical land, the church wouldn't have tolerated dissent, and the local Sheriff would have been presuaded to send Men at Arms after the villagers. They wouldn't have been allowed to hide in the forests for months, since all forests in England after the Conquest belonged to the Crown.

I didnt say where the monumental stonework was, but the history channel is full of the video from Rome. I dunno about Scotland, but the historical data on the resurgence of Ireland after the fall of the Empire is well known

There wasn't really a resurgence in Ireland. After the Vikings began to settle there, the Ui Neill and other tribes quickly learned military tactics from them, and Brian Boru used Viking forces to subjugate his enemies and create a unified kingdom. But that kingdom was itself conquered by the Normans in the 1100s.

The pagans treated their slaves very differently. For one thing, like St. Patrick, they were hauled so far away that they could not have some hope of escaping and returning home. Make slaves miserable enough, and they will try... if it aint too far. Romans and Christians didnt care, didnt have the problem.

St Patrick was born in Cumbria, on the north-west coast of England, and only a couple of hours sailing time from Ireland. Celtic tribes also used the idea of hostages; a chief's son was taken to his overlord's village and raised as one of his own sons, the idea being to guarantee his father's co-operation. Mediaeval Christians didn't own slaves.

It may have been a dark age in Christian Western Europe, but it was high on the hog for the Viking cities like Keiv in Eastern Europe. The Vikings may have raised hell with the fundies, but they had a mercantile empire that stretched from the Caspain sea to Iceland, and collected tribute from Constantinople to boot

The only reason the Vikings expanded westwards was because the spread of Islam cut off their supplies of Silver in central Asia. They were also quick to convert to Christianity when they realised the advantage of doing so.