Earliest Known Human Had Neanderthal Qualities

[Minimalist]

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/08/2 ... iopia.html

Aug. 22, 2008 -- The world's first known modern human was a tall, thin individual -- probably male -- who lived around 200,000 years ago and resembled present-day Ethiopians, save for one important difference: He retained a few primitive characteristics associated with Neanderthals, according to a series of forthcoming studies conducted by multiple international research teams.

So, if the earliest HSS had "Neanderthal characteristics" and presumably Neanderthal's had "Neanderthal characteristics" would that not indicate that both inherited them from a remote common ancestor?

And won't that screw up all this testing for genes from alleged HSS-HN interbreeding?

[Ishtar]

Not necessarily.

Some HSSs (not mentioning any names) still have primitive Neanderthal characteristics, if you ask me! I didn't need a scientist to tell me that.

We could all just be an evolution of Neanderthals - Neanderthals Mark 2.

[Cognito]

We could all just be an evolution of Neanderthals - Neanderthals Mark 2.

Actually, this discovery lends credence to the multiregionalists' argument. As opposed to calling these hominids different species we might look upon them as follows:

H. sapiens erectus (Ishtar's favorite hominid)

==> H. sapiens neanderthalis
==> H. sapiens sapiens

Andy Blackard, referenced at other sites, has mentioned that two human groups in and near the Cambodia region appear to have no genetic similarity to modern humans. The current thought is that they are directly descended from Asian H. erectus. With enough early crossbreeding, they become H. sapiens erectus.

Credit the above concept to Marduk, the former, banned bad-ass of this Forum. Regardless of what people here think about him, I happen to agree with his analysis.

[Minimalist]

Unlike a certain other person I can think of marduk occasionally had some good ideas.....when he wasn't being a pain in the ass.

[Minimalist]

Andy Blackard, referenced at other sites, has mentioned that two human groups in and near the Cambodia region

How come they weren't wiped out in the Toba Eruption...or did that only hammer the HSS populations?

[Ishtar]

Unlike a certain other person I can think of marduk occasionally had some good ideas.....when he wasn't being a pain in the ass.

See? You couldn't even get to your mid-morning coffee without mentioning him

[Ishtar]

The current thought is that they are directly descended from Asian H. erectus. With enough early crossbreeding, they become H. sapiens erectus.

So Cogs - these are obviously the antecedents of Biggus Dickus?

[Cognito]

How come they weren't wiped out in the Toba Eruption

Min, that's a great question. However, bear in mind that Neanderthals and Erectus survived that eruption in addition to Sapiens. Erectus finds have been dated to as late as 28kya - 53kya in Java. The Toba eruption may have dramatically thinned populations, but it didn't wipe out everyone. Recent finds in India just prior to and after the eruption also support that conclusion.

[Cognito]

antecedents of Biggus Dickus?

Yes, Biggus Dickus was most likely a direct descendant.

BTW, what was his wife's name? I was laughing so hard at the video I missed it.

[Minimalist]

Unlike a certain other person I can think of marduk occasionally had some good ideas.....when he wasn't being a pain in the ass.

See? You couldn't even get to your mid-morning coffee without mentioning him

I've already had breakfast, dear. Just warming up.

[Minimalist]

How come they weren't wiped out in the Toba Eruption

Min, that's a great question. However, bear in mind that Neanderthals and Erectus survived that eruption in addition to Sapiens. Erectus finds have been dated to as late as 28kya - 53kya in Java. The Toba eruption may have dramatically thinned populations, but it didn't wipe out everyone. Recent finds in India just prior to and after the eruption also support that conclusion.

Hey, I agree with you, bro, but THEY'RE the ones claiming that HSS was reduced to a couple of thousand survivors in the rift valley of East Africa. That must have been one hell of an explosion...or not.

Maybe Homo Erectus erected Toba Shelters?

[Ishtar]

Incontinentia Buttocks!

[Cognito]

Hey, I agree with you, bro, but THEY'RE the ones claiming that HSS was reduced to a couple of thousand survivors in the rift valley of East Africa.

It's easy to defend a hypothesis when anomolous facts are ignored or explained away as inconsequential. "THEY" never address the fact that Toba did not wipe out the Neanderthals, nor do "THEY" address post-Toba H. erectus finds in Java. The recent India finds are apparently H. sapiens, but "THEY" are silent on that topic. Conclusion: poor science.

Andy's comment about direct descendents of H. erectus in and near Cambodia was a surprise to me. However, personally, I still believe some Australian aborigines carry/carried directly acquired H. erectus nuclear genes. That's pretty hard to prove when H. sapiens is a descendent of H. erectus in the first place!

[Minimalist]

Ah, yes....

[Minimalist]

It's easy to defend a hypothesis when anomolous facts are ignored or explained away as inconsequential.

Typical club mentality.