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The new world
Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:29 pm
by john
All -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01753.html
I'll just leave this as an open question,
Rather than salting the mine
With my opinions.
Have at.
hoka hey
john
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:26 am
by dannan14
The Piri Reis map came only a few years later. It was thousands of miles away though, in Turkey. Both maps require quite a bit more knowledge of the west than the folks of that time period are given credit for.
The 'retraction' is interesting. Maybe a local Bishop was powerful enough to make it happen and keep the politics behind doing so quiet.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:00 am
by Minimalist
Hancock's suggestion is that much of this geographical knowledge was a legacy from a Remote Common Ancestor civilization. Who know? Maybe he's right?
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:14 pm
by kbs2244
Come on,
We al know it was from the maps the Chinese left behind when they sailed through the Mediterranean.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:20 pm
by Minimalist
The original stealth technology. No one saw them.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:31 pm
by Digit
The big issue with the Piri Reis map is of course Antarctica. Regardless of when it was drawn, or copied, is how did anybody prior to modern seismological mapping know the outline of the coast?
Roy.
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:36 pm
by Minimalist
The Club answer....ahem....if I recall...is that he wasn't showing "Antarctica" but rather drawing South America around the edge at a 90 degree angle because he ran out of room on the parchment.
The Club considers this a sufficient answer.
Of course, as you say that does not explain how he "accidentally" got the sub-glacial topography correct, nor, is it readily apparent what use such a "map" would be to a sailor...and, as an admiral, Piri Reis probably knew his way around......boats.
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:06 pm
by kbs2244
That brings up a question I had forgotten about.
When was the last time the coast of Antarctica was without ice?
Clear enough to see the dirt and map it as such?
Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:23 pm
by Minimalist
15 million years ago, according to Wiki citing a source edited by one Mary Trewby in 2002.
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:37 am
by kbs2244
15 million years ago!
That is one real old map!
Oh, another thought, where was all the water that is now ice?
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:16 pm
by Minimalist
That's one way to look at it.
Another way is to consider that "they" did it in the same way "we" did it.
Unthinkable, I know.
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:16 am
by kbs2244
Boy,
Now you are pushing their technology way beyond sail boats and star gazing.
Another thought.
If the ice wasn't there, so they could see and map the shoreline,
Where was all the water that is now tied up in the ice?
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:35 pm
by Minimalist
It would have been covering that shoreline that they mapped.
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:30 pm
by Digit
The official lines miss one very important point. There is no need for Antarctica to be free of ice for the shore line to be clear. A period of localised warming, a change in sea currents perhaps, and it should be remembered that the area is volcanic.
In fact one of the suggested reasons as to why some of the ice is melting currently whilst other parts are thickening is localised volcanic heating below the ice.
Roy.
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:57 pm
by Minimalist
In Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock published this letter to professor, Charles Hapgood.
8 RECONNAISSANCE TECHNICAL SQUADRON (SAC)
UNITED STATES AIRFORCE
Westover Airforce Base
Massachusetts
6 July 1960
SUBJECT: Admiral Piri Reis World Map
To: Professor Charles H. Hapgood,Keene College,Keene, New Hampshire.
Dear Professor Hapgood,
Your request for evaluation of certain unusual features of the Piri Reis World Map of 1513 by this organization has been reviewed.
The claim that the lower part of the map portrays the Princess Martha Coast of Queen Maud Land Antarctica, and the Palmer Peninsula, is reasonable. We find this is the most logical and in all probability the correct interpretation of the map.
The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the seismic profile made across the top of the ice-cap by the Swedish-British Antarctic Expedition of 1949.
This indicates the coastline had been mapped before it was covered by the ice-cap.
The ice-cap in this region is now about a mile thick.
We have no idea how the data on this map can be reconciled with the supposed state of geographical knowledge in 1513.
HAROLD Z. OHLMEYER
Lt Colonel, USAF Commander
I'm about as mystified as Col. Ohlmeyer.