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The First Boat People
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:25 pm
by E.P. Grondine
Hi
Thought you all might enjoy this:
http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/cata ... 0521856560
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:01 am
by Digit
That should ruffle a few feathers I think.
Roy.
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:49 am
by Minimalist
That does look interesting, EP.
They write them faster than I can read them, though.
Australia
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:54 am
by Cognito
EP, John Moore (Univ. of Florida) recently was asked to use his "EthnoPop" software program to determine the minimum number of people required to successfully colonize Australia circa 50kya. He came up with 15 breeding couples, i.e. 30 people minimum by boat about 180 miles.
The conclusion is that Australia was colonized on purpose. Nobody has figured out yet how those guys could get 15 or more fertile females on a raft to nowhere. Alcohol? Cannabis?
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:38 pm
by kbs2244
Come on Cog!
Sailors are studs!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:22 pm
by Minimalist
Alcohol? Cannabis?
Clubs?
Re: Australia
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:10 pm
by E.P. Grondine
Cognito wrote:EP, John Moore (Univ. of Florida) recently was asked to use his "EthnoPop" software program to determine the minimum number of people required to successfully colonize Australia circa 50kya. He came up with 15 breeding couples, i.e. 30 people minimum by boat about 180 miles.
The conclusion is that Australia was colonized on purpose. Nobody has figured out yet how those guys could get 15 or more fertile females on a raft to nowhere. Alcohol? Cannabis?
Options:
1) Fisherman blown out to sea. Fisherman returns home. Finds reason to leave home later on and return with mate and family.
2) Families live on boats. Family blown out to sea. From South American
mt B and D DNA distribution, this seems most likely.
3) Entire coastal village moves for some reason.
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
Colonisation
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:13 pm
by Cognito
Options:
1) Fisherman blown out to sea. Fisherman returns home. Finds reason to leave home later on and return with mate and family.
2) Families live on boats. Family blown out to sea. From South American
mt B and D DNA distribution, this seems most likely.
3) Entire coastal village moves for some reason.
The initial colonizing of Australia required one group of 30 or more individuals landing together. That limits the event to #1 and #3 above. It seems plausable that fisherman were exploring new areas and returned with stories of abundance, thereby encouraging others to make the trip.
EP, thank you for sending me your book - I encourage everyone else on this site to order and read it. I especially enjoyed reading the many native oral stories of the Pleistocene and early Holocene. Excellent.
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:49 am
by clubs_stink
Minimalist wrote:Alcohol? Cannabis?
Clubs?
I confess, they came for me
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:34 pm
by Minimalist
Welcome back.
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:44 pm
by clubs_stink
^Thanks...I hadn't really gone anywhere, I just rarely have anything intelligent to say or new to question. I just sit back and read everything.
Re: Colonisation
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:29 pm
by E.P. Grondine
Cognito wrote:Options:
1) Fisherman blown out to sea. Fisherman returns home. Finds reason to leave home later on and return with mate and family.
2) Families live on boats. Family blown out to sea. From South American
mt B and D DNA distribution, this seems most likely.
3) Entire coastal village moves for some reason.
The initial colonizing of Australia required one group of 30 or more individuals landing together. That limits the event to #2 and #3 above. It seems plausable that fisherman were exploring new areas and returned with stories of abundance, thereby encouraging others to make the trip.
EP, thank you for sending me your book - I encourage everyone else on this site to order and read it. I especially enjoyed reading the many native oral stories of the Pleistocene and early Holocene. Excellent.
Thanks for the endorsement, Cognito - everyone here can buy personally signed copies for the special low price, if they want to, simply by writing to me. And as I've mentioned before, I gifted copies to libraries, so any of you here can read it for free through interlibrary loan if you want to.