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Upper Amazon

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:15 pm
by kbs2244
From today’s news page.

Another sacred cow is butchered.

“this wasn't just a pristine forest with isolated nomadic tribes”


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... orest.html

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:52 pm
by Minimalist

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:40 am
by Leona Conner
One of the better pre-Columbus books.

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:58 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
kbs2244 wrote:From today’s news page.

Another sacred cow is butchered.

“this wasn't just a pristine forest with isolated nomadic tribes”


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... orest.html
Angkor Wat revisited. Squared.

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:00 pm
by Sam Salmon
kbs2244 wrote:From today’s news page.

Another sacred cow is butchered.

“this wasn't just a pristine forest with isolated nomadic tribes”


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... orest.html
Note that there's jungle and there's jungle-this is about Upland Jungle (if I'm reading this correctly) - Lowland Jungle also has traces

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:07 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
kbs2244 wrote:From today’s news page.

Another sacred cow is butchered.

“this wasn't just a pristine forest with isolated nomadic tribes”


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... orest.html
This is a nice day for archaeologists and cultural anthropologists. Imagine the discoveries that lie ahead as we learn who lived there, how they lived, and what happened to them.

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:53 pm
by E.P. Grondine
See John Hoope's site. Major early cultures on the lower Amazon appear to have been burnt off the face of the Earth in the Rio Cuarto impacts.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:21 pm
by uniface
Tried to find it but can't.

National Geographic piece claims it isn't one -- the wind did it. (!)

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:03 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
uniface wrote: National Geographic piece claims it isn't one -- the wind did it. (!)
Not impacts...?
:lol:

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:25 pm
by E.P. Grondine
uniface wrote:Tried to find it but can't.

National Geographic piece claims it isn't one -- the wind did it. (!)
The "debate" over the Rio Cuarto impacts is covered in extenso in my book.

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:53 am
by uniface
Which is either en route, or will be shortly :D

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:27 am
by E.P. Grondine
uniface wrote:Which is either en route, or will be shortly :D
enroute. Merry Christmas, and get the bright reading light ready.

Re: Upper Amazon

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:12 pm
by kbs2244
I couldn’t find my copy to double check,
but I believe in 1491 he refers to the logs of early Spanish ships sailing up the Amazon seeing basically continuous settlements along both banks and on the islands.

They were puzzled as to why they were up on stilts until they witnessed the river at flood stage.

I do not know how far up river the Spanish went.
This story is about the highlands.

But if the disease followed the same spreading format as in NA these sites would have been wiped out within years of the Spanish arrival.

Now that I think about it the book might of been Guns, Germs and Steel.