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Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:01 pm
by dannan14
http://johnhawks.net/weblog
That's the question that occurred to me, reading a column by David Freedman ("Why experts are usually wrong"). Freedman, whose book is Wrong: Why experts keep failing us--and how to know when not to trust them, makes a big point of the high rate of medical studies that are later shown to be incorrect. Put together the desire for easy answers, the pressure for positive results in grants and publications, and a strong tendency toward groupthink, and you end up with a club of experts that propagate wrong information.
The bolding is mine, but you all probably would have noticed anyway.
Edited to fix a typo
Edit #2 Lol, i guess you can only barely see the bold on
a club anyway
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:30 am
by Digit
We can all be wrong, the thing about experts is that, not infrequently, their errors are so blindingly obvious that it becomes difficult to understand how they accept them.
Roy.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:16 am
by Minimalist
By concentrating on the wrong data?
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:47 am
by Digit
Or do they just follow what others state I wonder.
Roy.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:47 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Digit wrote:Or do they just follow what others state I wonder.
Of course they do. They choose to lick the hand that feeds them. They're human. So they're opportunists.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:10 am
by Minimalist
Much of science builds on the work of others. I suppose the question becomes, what happens when the foundation is shown to be incorrect?
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:22 am
by Digit
Logically the whole thing is reconstructed, but the refusal by some to ignore such evidence as there is concerning Clovis, for example, shows that there is often a reluctance to move forward.
Roy.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:16 am
by Minimalist
'One funeral at a time.'
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:29 am
by Digit
You pinched my quote!
Roy.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:52 pm
by Minimalist
I was reminding you.
At our age...it helps.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:09 pm
by Digit
I should have claimed copyright!
A question, off topic of course. I've been watching Bounty Hunter programmes on TV. How does the Bail system work in the States and how does a BH make money?
Roy.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:44 pm
by Minimalist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail_bondsman
They make money the same way every other business makes money. Volume. Incarcerating people is one of the few growth industries in the US. The prison-industrial complex is growing.
Its a barbaric system.
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:31 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail_bondsman
They make money the same way every other business makes money. Volume. Incarcerating people is one of the few growth industries in the US. The prison-industrial complex is growing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarcerat ... ted_States
Its a barbaric system.
The last figures I saw were over 3
million American citizens incarcerated (that is 1 in every 100 Americans!), of which 2,7 million (that's over 90%!) for minor drug (ab)use (= cannabis/MJ/hashish).
"The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world."
Time for a fresh roach!
If cannabis were legalized US citizens could save 270
billion dollars per year in taxes! Probably nearer half a trillion since half of the courts and the police forces wouldn't be necessary anymore either!
The US economy and the dollar are in stitches, and sinking, with no end in sight. Legalizing cannabis could turn that around in one fell swoop!
Time for another roach!

It liberates the mental constraints! It promotes thinking out of the box!
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:01 pm
by Minimalist
If cannabis were legalized US citizens could save 270 billion dollars per year in taxes! Probably nearer half a trillion since half of the courts and the police forces wouldn't be necessary anymore either!
Why do you think they oppose the idea so strenuously?
Re: Hawks on our favorite mindset
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:17 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:If cannabis were legalized US citizens could save 270 billion dollars per year in taxes! Probably nearer half a trillion since half of the courts and the police forces wouldn't be necessary anymore either!
Why do you think they oppose the idea so strenuously?
Because "they" would be out of an easy high-paying job and would have to find new,
real jobs and start to actually
work for a living. And learn to be
productive members of society, for a change. Instead of parasites. But obviously that's not gonna happen if "they" can help it. And sofar, "they" can! So it's a self-perpetuating industry. A free money machine.
So anybody who has a financial interest in the prison, police, and court systems is morally disqualified to partake in this debate.