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Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:20 pm
by Minimalist
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152917.htm

ScienceDaily (Mar. 15, 2011) — A new study involving the University of Colorado Boulder shows clear evidence of the continuous control of fire by Neanderthals in Europe dating back roughly 400,000 years, yet another indication that they weren't dimwitted brutes as often portrayed.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:26 am
by kbs2244
“continuous control “

An interesting choice of words.

I am assuming it means once they had one going at one place they could keep it going.

But could they move it around?
From their cave to their neighbors cave.
From one seasonal camp site to another?

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:23 am
by Minimalist
they could keep it going.

Or perhaps merely re-ignite it at will?

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:55 am
by kbs2244
When I read the whole article to end I found this paragraph.

“Many archaeologists believe Neanderthals and other early hominids struck pieces of flint with chunks of iron pyrite to create the sparks that made fire and may well have conserved and transported fire from site to site.”

That is a big jump.

“Controlling” fire could mean using it, carrying it from place to place, etc after you had found something burning.

But “making” fire or starting fires goes well beyond that.
That is a something that I doubt many modern men, that don’t have a Bic, can do.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:29 pm
by Minimalist
That is a big jump.

Indeed. In fact, until we see another animal doing it we can safely assume that it is a uniquely human behavior.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:42 pm
by Digit
But could they move it around?
Yes! In Europe a number of Fungi, names escape me, will smolder, and I saw a demo of one such in a survival programme.

Roy.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:26 pm
by kbs2244
You are right.
I remember the technique.

You would get a fist sized lump of moss smoldering and the carry it with you so you had a fire starter at your next campsite.

I wonder how long it took them to figure that one out?
And come up with the right container (gord, pot....???) to carry it in.
If a clay pot, then maybe the first concept of fire glazeing?

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:46 pm
by Digit
Based on a very litte experience kb I would suggest the container may well have been a horn.

Roy.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:24 pm
by kbs2244
Whatever.
Carrying around a preexisting fire is a lot easier than being able to “make” fire at will.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:44 pm
by Minimalist
The capability to do both seems vital. Even back then it rained and not having to worry about finding dry tinder every evening would have been important.
Of course if it rained for 4 days straight nothing would be dry anyway.

Re: Strike Another Blow for Neanderthals

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:25 pm
by Minimalist
And HNS' standing gets a tad higher.


http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/n ... 10420.html
A possible Neanderthal burial ground suggests that they practiced funeral rituals and possessed symbolic thought before modern humans.
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