Coneheads

The Western Hemisphere. General term for the Americas following their discovery by Europeans, thus setting them in contradistinction to the Old World of Africa, Europe, and Asia.

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Re: Coneheads

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Frank Harrist wrote:For the record: I do not for a millisecond believe that these are nephilim or "angels". Just trying to get to the truth.
Absolutely, and I still think there is something new to learn here. That said, people can probably be forgiven for dismissing the entire subject immediately upon being exposed to the cosmological narrative out of which not only this interpretation arises, but when the first word regarding the research reaches us via these sources. Rather then say a recognized peer reviewed genetics publication. I believe both Foerster and Marzulli are more entertainers then researchers to be taken very seriously.

We live in an Age of Conspiricy Theories. It began with JFK and it continues unabated. It should come as no surprise if many people have come to the conclusion that we have not been told the truth about our history as well. That our history too has been hidden from us. Alternative history is a very popular subject. It has been for a long time, really. Whether it's the Puritans convinced that the Phoenicians inscribed Dighton Rock, whether it's the existence of an unknown advanced civilization in the past, in truth the subject of radical reinterpretations of human prehistory and history is a strong movement in this day and age. A lot of people love this stuff and are convinced our real history bears little resemblance to what the "poopyheads" tell us it is. I try to keep a very open mind, because I do believe to some degree it has to be the case that much of our past is forgotten. There has to be many surprises, some of which might really overturn some precious apple carts. That said, I don't necessarily expect to find rigor and dispassionate research in every proposed revisioning of our history. I don't ever want to stop thinking outside the box, and I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water, but discrimination of mind is a powerful tool, and that should never be abandoned either.
Frank Harrist

Re: Coneheads

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I have a penchant for new discoveries, they just happen to be regarded as "fringe" science initially, sometimes. An open mind, which is what science requires, means considering everything.
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Re: Coneheads

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What is pleased to call itself "science" shows itself to be, in an overwealming number of examples, indistinguishable from "religion."

I.e., both deal in fixed beliefs, and both pretend to exemplify the application of rules which they ignore -- routinely and on a wholesale scale -- in practice.

In the case of "science" this includes the claim that new evidence that overturns previous opinion necessitates that opinion be revised to accomodate it.In practice, of course, the old belief is maintained by the standard catalogue of mental malfunctions familiar from everywhere : denial, evasion, rationalisation, minimising, justification, straw man "rebuttals," supposed guilt by association ("David Childer Hatchess says that, and he's a crook, so he can't be right and deserves no further examination. Case closed.")(that's from a nut-job, Nazi, creationist &c. site so ignore it"), "what peer-revieved journal of public record did that appear in ?" and the rest of it. All of which are not signal, but noise.

The jury is rightly out on this stuff. And it is no one here's job to bring it back in with a "guilty" verdict. Really. No matter what you may be pleased to believe. Belief is for church.
uniface

Re: Coneheads

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That said, here's another video. Once again. I can't hear the narration, so you'll have to take care of that part. It looks pretty good, & like they're talking to the right people :

Valsequillo : http://youtu.be/C3ZDmYCvSC0

American Nephilim : http://youtu.be/0Qr6CG19tyY

Not sure what this one is exactly "about," but a lot of skulls are involved :
http://youtu.be/59Qcsy3iY_U
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Re: Coneheads

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Regarding Childress and Egyptians in the Grand Canyon, featured in the "American Nephilim" video above. He's very, very mistaken. If guys like Childress did their homework as guys like Calavito do, some of this foolishness could be corrected before it enters "legend". Here, Cavalito explains Childress's fundamental error. The entire story is a fantasy. And that is not really surprising, either. It was not uncommon for newspapers of the mid 19th-early 20th century to print tall tales, for want of a better name. No side bars saying "this is fiction", just in there with the rest of the actual news. Journalistic standards were different. It was not unique to the western states, but the yarns were often located there.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/201 ... asure.html

"The "Egyptian" Grand Canyon Cave
Against this rather straightforward progression of fringe ideas about Egyptian voyages to America is the story of the Grand Canyon cave where modern legend imagines that the Egyptians had some sort of magical tomb, temple, or base. This story was the subject of one of the very first skeptical articles I ever wrote, back in 2002, and nothing has changed any of the conclusions that were already obvious back then.

The story begins in March of 1909 when on a newspaper called the Arizona Gazette began recording the adventures of an explorer called G. E. Kinkaid. On April 5, 1909 it published under the headline “Explorations in the Grand Canyon” the story of how a Smithsonian scholar named S. A. Jordan and an adventurer named G. E. Kinkaid had found a series of caves in the Grand Canyon stuffed with artifacts of no certain provenance and room for 50,000 (!) people. I have of course placed the full text of the article in my Library.

The article is and remains a hoax, not dissimilar to the great Moon Hoax of 1835, Mark Twain’s Petrified Man hoax of 1862, or, more closely still, the Atlantis hoax of 1912, when William Randolph Hearst’s New American ran a two page “report” about an archaeologist’s discovery of proof of Atlantean influence on ancient cultures worldwide. We’ll look into the characters involved more below, but suffice it to say that 1909 was in the middle of a period of rampant hoaxing, what by some accounts was the heyday of hoaxing. In 1899, reporters from four Denver newspapers hoaxed the claim that American businesses were bidding for the right to demolish the Great Wall of China. In October 1899 McClure’s Magazine published a story claiming that a live wooly mammoth had been found and killed. The magazine had to apologize that it wasn’t labeled as clearly as it could have been that it was fictional after readers complained to the Smithsonian about the death of the last mammoth. In 1909, Wallace Tillinghast hoaxed a super-advanced airplane that supposedly could travel 120 miles per hour.

More darkly, the Russian government hoaxed the anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion in 1903, and someone—it’s still not known for certain who—faked the Piltdown Man skull in 1912, impacting scientific understanding of evolution for four decades.

The Arizona Gazette article, backed by no contemporary documentation, very clearly falls in line behind its more famous contemporaries. This becomes still clearer when we look at other troubling signs. The article never quotes S. A. Jordan, and it mistakenly calls the Smithsonian Institution the “Smithsonian Institute.” No records document the existence of S. A. Jordan, G. E. Kinkaid, or any Smithsonian expedition to the Grand Canyon in 1909. (There was a real S. A. Jordon—note the spelling—but he was a European field archaeologist.)

While fringe writers see this as proof of a conspiracy, the Smithsonian itself has repeatedly fielded questions about the 1909 article. In 2000, the Smithsonian wrote in response to one inquiry from the old Sightings website:

The Smithsonian Institution has received many questions about an article in the April 5, 1909 Phoenix Gazette about G. E. Kincaid and his discovery of a 'great underground citadel' in the Grand Canyon, hewn by an ancient race 'of oriental origin, possibly from Egypt.' According to the article, Prof. Jordan directed a major investigation of the 'citadel' that was mounted by the Smithsonian.

The Smithsonian's Department of Anthropology, has searched its files without finding any mention of a Professor Jordan, Kincaid, or a lost Egyptian civilization in Arizona. Nevertheless, the story continues to be repeated in books and articles.

Note the peculiar phrase in quotation marks. It will come up again.

The Smithsonian gave a nearly identical reply to Jack Andrews in 1999.

Contrary to modern claims that the cave system described in the article was the work of Egyptians, the article suggested that its closest connection was to the Tibetans, in keeping with Theosophical ideas about the mysterious East. Consider the ancient statue supposedly found in the caves: “The idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that this worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet.” The article has Kinkaid tell readers that the cave was filled with objects like those from “oriental” (i.e. Asian) temples and Malay-style figures.

At no point does the article ever claim that the caves are Egyptian. That connection comes from confusion over a few lines of the article, where the writer tries to use Hopi myths about the tribe’s origin in an underground civilization to suggest, as Theosophy had done, that a lost civilization from Asia or Atlantis was the origin point for both Egypt and the Native American cultures:

Egypt and the Nile, and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back to ages which staggers the wildest fancy of the fictionist. […] There are two theories of the origin of the Egyptians. One is that they came from Asia; another that the racial cradle was in the upper Nile region. [German historian Arnold Hermann Ludwig] Heeren [1760-1842], an Egyptologist, believed in the Indian origin of the Egyptians. The discoveries in the Grand Canyon may throw further light on human evolution and prehistoric ages.

Heeren was not an Egyptologist, though as an early nineteenth-century historian of antiquity he did speculate on the ancient Vedic origins of Egypt, in keeping with the then-popular theory that India was the cradle of the Aryan race and thus the oldest civilization on earth.

The author of the newspaper article is trying to imply that the cave was a prehistoric relic of the lost civilization that gave rise to Egypt and the Americas—that the Native Americans were the degenerate remains of a once noble Asian civilization. This is entirely in keeping with turn of the twentieth century speculation about the origins of Native Americans and the longstanding belief that Native peoples were degenerate, decayed, and doomed to cultural extinction.

Modern fringe writers, ignorant of the historical context, misread this as suggesting that the Egyptians had occupied the Grand Canyon caves. This is not at all what the obviously more educated hoaxer intended. That hoaxer was trying to fabricate evidence for a Theosophy-style lost civilization that spawned both Egyptians and Native American cultures from a heartland in central Asia, then believed to be the oldest civilized area on earth, in keeping with early claims for the antiquity of Sanskrit, the presumed language of the most ancient Aryans.

This hoax was not interesting enough for other newspapers to pick up, probably because it was so easily disproved with a simple telegram to the Smithsonian. It languished until David Hatcher Childress dug it up and published a discussion of it in Lost Cities of North and Central America, which was reprinted in Nexus magazine in 1993.

Childress misread the article and announced that the inhabitants of the cave were Egyptian—and that the Smithsonian was engaged in a cover-up, even though to confirm it he did nothing more than call the switchboard. He talked to a staff archaeologist who denied the story, and he concluded that this suggested a conspiracy:

Is the idea that ancient Egyptians came to the Arizona area in the ancient past so objectionable and preposterous that is must be covered up? Perhaps the Smithsonian Institution is more interested in maintaining the status quo than rocking the boat with astonishing new discoveries that totally overturn the previously accepted academic teachings.

Childress claimed as evidence two “facts”: First, he said that the Grand Canyon was filled with Hindu and Egyptian place names, which he believed were used to signal the true history of the caves. Second, he claimed that the government forbids all public access to the “Egyptian” areas of the Grand Canyon. As it happens, in the 1880s (before the newspaper hoax) the U.S. Geological Survey tried mapping the Grand Canyon and, having run out of local names, the surveyors used names from Greek, Roman, Germanic, Egyptian, and Hindu mythology. A known individual—Capt. Dutton—began using the Hindu and Egyptian names because he found Native American names “ugly.” Other members of the Survey team disagreed violently, and there were many arguments before the names were finally officially accepted in 1923 simply through inertia. (Some were still angry about it decades later!) The “Egyptian” area of the canyon is open to tourists, with the caveat that there is little water and few trails, so it is recommended only for experienced hikers. The only area closed to the public under any circumstances is Furnace Flats (AG9), an unstable archaeological site with masonry. Limited other areas, mostly access roads, are also off limits.

As should be obvious, the 1909 Arizona Gazette hoaxer took the Tibetan and Egyptian inspiration for the article from the pre-existing Hindu and Egyptian place names applied by chance to the canyon two decades earlier.

After a pirated copy of Childress’s article was published online on May 8, 1993 with a directive to repost and share, the story became a staple of fringe history. David Icke, among others, adopted the tale of the cave for his The Biggest Secret: “My own research suggests that it is from another dimension, the lower fourth dimension, that the reptilian control and manipulation is primarily orchestrated.” He further claimed that the Freemasons hold dark rites in the cave to honor the reptilians. In so doing, he originated the phrase “oriental or possibly Egyptian origin” to describe the caves, which you will recognize from the Smithsonian’s statement. (See, I told you it would pop up again!)

Weirdly enough, all of this ended up tying back to Edgar Cayce when 1990s-era writers began to speculate that John Ora Kinnaman, a maverick archaeologist who sought to validate Cayce’s prophecies, had provided proof of the caves’ existence. In the 1950s, Kinnaman tried to prove that the Great Pyramid was 35,000 years old and claimed that a giant crystal under the pyramid allowed the Egyptians to send instant telepathic messages to the Grand Canyon. For 1990s writers, this became “evidence” that Kinnaman knew of the Grand Canyon “find” but conveniently failed to mention it. Kinnaman also claimed to have found the Atlantean Hall of Records, which housed the Ark of the Covenant. Does Scott Wolter know about this?

As always, not a shred of evidence exists that this cave ever had a physical existence.

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For me, the jury is very much in, at least on Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. Childress is a joke of a researcher and if an interview of him is supposed to elevate the conversation, it won't. Throwing everything in sight against the blackboard to see if it will stick, which is the research methodology employed by Childress, does not elevate the conversation, it lowers it. Pop Alternative History. Fluff.
Let your imagination run wild, and by all means leave your discriminating intelligence at home. Oh, yeah, we're bound to find the truth that way.

Science can be an arrogant stinker: rocks don't fall from the sky! They do. Clovis was here first! They wern't.
But, what Marzulli has crafted is much more akin to the hierarchachal universe of the Christian Gnostics then it is to anything else. Uni, if you think the jury is still out and these skulls might be part alien or angels, that's your call. Nothing here makes such a suggestion apparent to me.
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But, have no fear, defenders of America's "true" history! Scott Wolter to the rescue! He is calling for a Congressional Investigation of the Smithsonian! How dare they hide our history, that Egyptian cave is down there somewhere:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/201 ... n-dna.html
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Re: Coneheads

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The same Cavalito blog that discusses Wolter's call for a Congressional investigation into the Smithsonian's deliberate suppression of the truth of American history(!!) also briefly discusses the Foerster announcement:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/201 ... n-dna.html

"Bigfoot, Star Children, and Ancient Astronauts
Most of you know that head-binding to create elongated skulls is a widespread human practice found in many places around the world. Hippocrates described the process in his Of Air, Water, and Situation thousands of years ago: “As soon as the Child was born, they immediately fashion’d the soft and tender Head of it with their Hands, and, by the use of bandages and proper arts, forc’d it to grow lengthwise; by which means the sphærical figure of the Head was perverted, and the length increas’d” (trans. Francis Clifton). This explanation, repeatedly confirmed by anthropological investigation and observation, isn’t enough for so-called “Star Child” researchers, ancient astronaut theorists, or the so-called Nephilim research community, all of whom see these skulls as evidence of otherworldly beings.

So Foerster obtained DNA samples from elongated skulls found in Paracas, Peru in the 1920s and preserved at a museum near the site. It is unclear whether he had proper export permits for this work since ancient remains are not typically allowed out of the country without permits, and Foerster recently started a fundraising campaign where he explicitly said he had smuggled artifacts out of Bolivia via Peru. Human remains are specifically on the International Council of Museums’ Red List of prohibited Peruvian antiquities. (I raised this issue when he exported the teeth back in 2012.)

Anyway, Doubtful News has much more to say on the nuts and bolts of why Foerster’s claim that the skull contains anomalous DNA shouldn’t be trusted. What shocked me is that Foerster entrusted the DNA analysis to Dr. Melba Ketchum, the woman who self-published a paper last year claiming to have proved via alleged Sasquatch DNA that Bigfoot was an ape-human hybrid. Ketchum has further ties to Genesis Quest, a company working to “prove” the existence of the Nephilim and to sell their investigation as a reality series to the Discovery Channel. Ketchum once claimed Bigfoot was a Nephilim Bible giant.

Now since Foerster is a coauthor of a book about elongated skulls with David Childress, who is a close colleague of Giorgio Tsoukalos, who argued that Bigfoot was an extraterrestrial hybrid sent here by UFO pilots, the entire alternative/fringe history ecosphere is beginning to collapse in on itself toward a bizarre singularity where ancient astronauts, Bigfoot studies, and the Nephilim all come together in a chorus of hosannas uniting New Agers and Biblical fundamentalists in praise of God, or the aliens they take for gods."


Doubtful News discussion of Foerster's recent announcement:

http://doubtfulnews.com/2014/02/foerste ... posed-its/
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I don't understand why, when claims like this are made, in this fashion, and someone then reacts skeptically, it becomes a compelling counterpoint to then observe that science is just like a religion as well, that somehow, when mainstream science, or just plain skeptics, doubting Thomases to these revelations, point out how weak and deceptive the approach of these "researchers" really is, then that's just a case of scientists being close minded and adherents to a belief system, as opposed to simply pointing out the obvious. There seems to be no reason in interpreting these skulls as alien hybrids or fallen angels. (Even though a multiverse envisioned by quantum physics might support the possibility?, dunno) There is nothing that inappropriate in expecting this research to enter discussion via peer reviewed research. That is simply not asking very much at all. If it isn't, it won't be taken seriously, until it is.

Earlier, Nacon wrote:

"As to my comments regarding fringe "literature", my position stands. It has been my personal observation that "authors" of this nature, combined with the dissemination of this "information" by broader outlets such as the "non-History Channel" have led to a proliferation of fallacious information amongst populations that are not necessarily exposed to credible research."

I agree 100%, because that has been my observation as well. Nowhere is this clearer in the United States today then the History Channel's America Unearthed. I have seen it first hand in my own experience because I am dealing on a regular basis with individuals who lap up every word spoken on that show. Even worse, one video that exposed the questionable practices utilized in the Ronoake Island episode can no longer be viewed by citizens of the United States. This video was put together by the museum staff, who felt they had been set up by the show. It discussed the ethics of what took place. That video can no longer be viewed by Americans, but they can watch episodes of the ill conceived episode on reruns or youtube anytime. But not the real history posted in response. Here is Calavito's analysis of that episode:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/201 ... anoke.html

This is off topic I know. But this is the world of pop archaeology in general. And that is the world of Foerster and Marzulli as much as Ancient Aliens and America Unearthed. Appeal to popular culture, avoid peer review. Appeal to the popular imagination. Avoid peer review. Change the tone of how Americans approach their own history by promoting the point of view that the establishment world of archaeologists and historians have been lying to the Ametican people for generations. I am reminded of an observation made by the French aristocrat Alexis de Toqueville in the 1830's while traveling the young states. He observed that in a mass democracy like the United States, in the world of ideas, it was likely the lowest common denominator would be enabled to rise to the top. In a country that has been anti-intellectual from the very beginning(intellectuals had no useful skills on the frontier), we are now at the point where the general uneducated public will be appealed to to decide the merits of scientific and historical scholarship arguments. Not people with actual knowledge of the issues and subject matter. And when this is pointed out, some proclaim science itself is to blame. We don't need science to decide. We have the great unwashed uneducated masses to rely upon in our modern democracy. The well versed of science and history can safely be ignored/rejected. This is science by the people, of the people, for the people.(God help us).No, we will publish outside Peer review and present our flawed arguments to the great unwashed uneducated public. We will appeal to the lowest common denominator. Regardless of the mysteries they dwell on, whether it's Childress or Foerster or Marzulli, this is their methodology. The methodology of Pop Science posing as rigorous research.
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Re: Coneheads

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Wolter's call for a Congressional investigation into the Smithsonian's deliberate suppression of the truth of American history(!!)
It seems worth noting in passing that the various County Histories published in the later 19th Century in the Moundbuilder area contain very well documented accounts of anomalistic (like double rows of teeth) and giant skelatons unearthed (by whom and when) which were given to the Smithsonian -- including quotations of letters the Smithsonian sent to those who donated these.

All gone down the memory hole now. There were way too many of them for these to have been some joke or hoax -- especially as contemporary newspaper articles support the stories in the county histories.

You're not going to believe your lying eyes are you ? You've probably been to college, so you know the last thing on earth you can trust is common sense . . .

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now. :mrgreen:
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uniface wrote:
Wolter's call for a Congressional investigation into the Smithsonian's deliberate suppression of the truth of American history(!!)
It seems worth noting in passing that the various County Histories published in the later 19th Century in the Moundbuilder area contain very well documented accounts of anomalistic (like double rows of teeth) and giant skelatons unearthed (by whom and when) which were given to the Smithsonian -- including quotations of letters the Smithsonian sent to those who donated these.n

All gone down the memory hole now. There were way too many of them for these to have been some joke or hoax -- especially as contemporary newspaper articles support the stories in the county histories.

You're not going to believe your lying eyes are you ? You've probably been to college, so you know the last thing on earth you can trust is common sense . . .

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along now. :mrgreen:

Uniface, you may like to read the tit for tat between Wolter and the Smithsonian:

http://scottwolteranswers.blogspot.com/ ... erica.html

Mr. Wolter claims Dr. Smith of the Smithsonian KNOWS the Bat Creek inscription(Hebrew, found in mound) is genuine even as Smith calls it a fraud:

“You, me, the Tribe and the Smithsonian (including Dr. Smith) know the artifact is genuine. Academia in Washington is defending a centuries old paradigm and we all know it. They know that, once one of these obvious genuine "anomalies" is accepted, the historical house of cards crumbles."

But, as Calovito sensibly observes:

"But what I find interesting is that Wolter accuses the Smithsonian of defending a “centuries old paradigm” apparently in utter ignorance of the fact that the Smithsonian, in the 1840s, imposed a paradigm of a “lost white race” via the work of Squier and Davis, which in turn had been the official ideology of America since the days of Andrew Jackson. It was only in 1894 that the Smithsonian put the Mound Builder myth to rest. But even in doing this, they have not defended an isolationist paradigm; the Smithsonian published the work of Betty Meggers—a Smithsonian research associate—who had claimed that Ecuador’s Valdavia culture derived from the Jomon culture of Japan. More to the point: Tomorrow Wolter will profile the work of Dennis Stanford, the director of the Paleoindian program at the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History, and the leading advocate of the claim that the Solutrean people of Spain colonized America around 20,000 years ago."

If they subscribed to the above notion, and that notion was widespread throughout the 19th century, it was the cultural substrate out of which the Mormon revisioning of American history emerged, then why would they hide evidence that supported their mistaken dogma? In general, not speaking specifically of the "giants" claim per se. I don't believe there was a conscious conspiracy on the Smithsonian's part to hide aspects of our history that "they" didn't want known.
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uniface, the story was featured on Coast to Coast on 2-11-14:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/02/11

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/elo ... o-research

"LA Marzulli writes: "This is the RAMAN Spectroscopy showing the Paracas [elongated skull] hair sample compared with human hair, a dyed human hair and also an "alien" hybrid hair taken from a man who was abducted and had sex with the female hybrid. You will notice the slopes are almost identical. Coincidence? I think not!"
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Lots of lumps under lots of rugs, IMO.

Many thanks. 8)
E.P. Grondine

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The "giants" were the Andaste, what is known to archaeologists as Adena Culture.

See Dragoo "Mounds for the Dead", or my own book, "Man and Impact in the Americas".

When will European descendants stop trying to fit the First Peoples into their own "archaeological culture" framework, or their Bible, or their re-incarnation cults?
And when will they stop trying to construct huge ancient European empires in North America from what MAY BE a few artifacts showing contact?

The answer is never, in my view.
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As far as the Egyptian place names in the Colorado River, Grand Canyon, area is concerned….

It only take a little research into American pop culture history to observe that at the same time Col Powell was coasting down the river through the canyon, and naming the sights he came across, America was going through a fascination with anything Egyptian. There were fantastic explanations of the alignment and the meaning of the number of stairs found `in the Great Pyramid, among a myriad of other things.

The Col was just trying to maintain public interest in, and thus contributions to, his expedition.

If you go on a guided tour of NYC grave yards you can see numerous Pyramids, Obelisk, and other “Egyptian” motifs in the graves of the rich and famous (and clueless) of that day.

You would think the NYC was an Egyptian port.
(But that is another subject for another day.)


I am still open to an explanation about the over sized, double tooth row, skulls continuously found in the American Mid West.
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Hi Kb -

Around 800 BCE, the Andaste spread down the Ohio River and the Mississippi River.
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Thank you Uniface for bringing up this topic. It was very instructive, especially considering elongated skulls have been found in many ancient places around the world - including North America. Large skeletons having elongated skulls have been unearthed from mounds and burial caves all over America, usually with enough trinkets to warrant royalty status. I've collected newspaper articles about these large people removed from bottom levels of mounds throughout a long life, but the internet puts them all out there. Despite all this evidence, these skulls end up in storage somewhere without explanation. But, there are many skulls filling many cabinets that are unexplained. The main purpose of science is to investigate the unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated, said Jason Martell.

Currently reading "The Ancient Giants Who Ruled America" by Richard J. Dewhurst. A lot of smoking gun evidence, and he's not nice with the Smithsonian.

Thanks again for an excellent topic. Gary Svindal
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