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Look, the truth is the truth, the facts are the facts, it is not my fault that so many got it so wrong, but I now offer you this chance to go through all the actual science, history, accounts,... and to understand, determine its accuracy and to correct a great deal science and history. So, once you realize what had actually occurred, would you be willing to help correct curriculum?]
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Kalopin 200 26 Mar 2013, 17:38

I want you to do more than apologize. I want you to pull up stakes & go away. You have fouled this forum with your preposterous bullshit for far too long. Your bullshit is a waste of space & time. This is not the place to showcase your mental illnesses.

You lied when you stated that the steaming pile of bullshit you fatuously call a 'paper' is peer reviewed. It is posted, not published, on a website that will accept 'papers' from anyone on any subject without any review or oversight. Your 'paper' is nothing more than a rambling, incoherent mess of unrelated copy/pasted articles. And, as per usual, you stated your 'oh so learned' opinion, threw in what you consider supporting data & then demand that the readers prove that you're wrong. You seem to have the process backward Tony... The accepted method is for YOU to prove your theory, not the reader.

Stop wasting our time with your ravings Tony & go away.

[Kalopin]

Did the NMSZ also cause all these eruptions, quakes, and all the strange weather?
Did the NMSZ cause the mini-ice age from 1811-1817?
Did the NMSZ freeze Napoleon's army?

Oh, FFS, the Little Ice Age had been going on for centuries. This is what I mean about you. You shoot an arrow into a barn and draw a bullseye around it.

The Year Without A Summer (1816) is a result of the eruption of Mt. Tambor in in April, 1815. Hey! Maybe that caused the rain storms that messed up Napoleon's artillery at Waterloo two months later. Why don't you find a comet to blame that on?

really?
...do you not know about the extreme drops in temperatures in 1811?
...have you never heard of the years 1811-1817 being referred to as a mini ice age?
Yes, there were considerably lower temperatures just as the comet passes-
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1811-1817: When the Earth had a Brush with the Devil
October 5, 2012

The year 1811 started off with an amazing sight, one not many humans are “lucky” enough to see in their lifetimes. The great comet of 1811 was first spotted in March of 1811 and its intensity increased through December 1811. Some recordings show it had a tail 25 Degrees Long and a head 50% larger than the sun.

If you were a drunken Englishman (I am roughly half English) with time to kill at night with a high degree of geometric skills remaining after a few pints, you might even draw it like the crop circle below, which BTW was probably produced by dark energy, not a microwave oven like SOME physicists believe.

In December of 1811 the comet appeared to some observers to “fade” and to others it appeared to “perform frightening acrobatics and split in two” (see my reference on the next page). Curiously, it also had a circumpolar orbit as viewed by many, staying within view for 24 hours a day at certain latitudes, appearing to be “homing in” on the earth. Comets are amazing entities, there is even a probe en route to land on one in 2014.

Unfortunately for those in New Madrid, Arkansas in December 1811, I am NOT CONVINCED this was a comet made of ordinary matter. Let’s just call him the devil for now. The massive New Madrid earthquakes began in December 1811 and continued through the Spring of 1812. The “comet” appeared to leave in 1812, although there is some uncertainty as to whether it really left entirely:

From a research posting on this linked website:

“In 1893 Norbert Herz reported what seems to have been evidence of a significant pertubation to the orbit of the Great Comet of 1811(7). Quoting Herz: “In general, if a comet is not perturbed by external forces, only one orbit, be it parabolic, elliptic, or hyperbolic, can be derived from the observations [of the comet]. But a single curve cannot be found for the comet of 1811 which will satisfy the observations.”

Working from a total of 984 observations, Herz published monthly simple means of the errors (between calculated and observed positions) but didn’t furnish indicators of maximum errors or of variances. The author hopes to obtain a copy of the observations in order to produce a clearer assessment of the comet’s path. The idea is to see if Burchell’s 04 Nov 1811 comet observation from South Africa (See second paragraph of this article.) is consistent (or not) with vetted observations of C1811 F1. Secondarily, it is desirable to look for a probable cause of the pertubation to the Great Comet’s orbit. [Added 12 Dec 2005.]

One possible explanation for the fact that a single curve couldn’t be found for C1811 F1’s orbit is that the comet fissioned and that one or both of the fission products moved off in different orbits from the original. John Kezys calls our attention to a report of such an event. He says, “As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of 1811] developed a tail one hundred million miles long. Following initial victories Napoleon overextended himself. After the invasion of Moscow he ran short of supplies and the winter proved unforgiving. Hundreds of thousands died while the comet performed frightening acrobatics by splitting in two.“(8) [Added 12 Dec 2005.]”

Now back to my explanation:

Primordial dark matter is thought to exist since the big bang. If it exists, it will have decreased in mass possibly in the 1011 kg to 1023 kg range (a good mass range BTW to possibly fall into earth orbit, since the earth weighs 5.97219 × 1024 kg). It could also be very hot, since the smaller the mass of a black hole, the hotter it is. In the coldness of space, since the “hot” primordial dark matter will act like a heat exchanger, it should shower its surroundings with large amounts of Hawking Radiation, possibly lighting up the emptiness of space like a comet.

But what about in the Earth’s atmosphere? How can they appear to hide? Here’s how: Due to their extreme mass and gravitational pull, they collapse gas around them creating an envelope of extreme cold which offsets their high temperatures. Their extremely small surface area does not allow them to transfer that heat to the environment efficiently, they are a poorly designed heat exchanger. They become a chameleon in a gaseous environment, blending in with their surroundings in a semi-thermodynamic steady-state. They do leave markers though like contrails, ionized air, sonic booms/thunder, a spectrum of noise, etc., many of which were witnessed at New Madrid and many other earthquake sites. Ones that take up orbit with the earth will have an ultra low frequency “pulse” signature with every orbit.

By early 1812 the earth’s “steady-state” spiraled into at least 7 years of major climate disruption, including 1816’s “The year without a summer” . Significant earthly climate events covered the planet. I have already explained how massive dark matter particles orbiting through the earth can create increased volcanic activity and extreme low pressure events, below is a summary of what took place:

From Wilkepedia:

Large volcanic eruptions (with VEI at least 4) during the same time frame:

1812, La Soufrière on Saint Vincent in the Caribbean
1812, Awu in the Sangihe Islands, Indonesia
1813, Suwanosejima in the Ryukyu Islands, Japan
1814, Mayon in the Philippines
1815 (April 5–15) volcanic Mount Tambora eruption[15][16] on the island of Sumbawa, Indonesia (then part of the Dutch East Indies, but under British rule during Napoleon’s occupation of the Netherlands), described by Thomas Stamford Raffles.[17] The eruption had a Volcanic Explosivity Index ranking of 7, a super-colossal event that ejected immense amounts of volcanic ash into the upper atmosphere. It was the world’s largest eruption since the Hatepe eruption over 1,630 years earlier in AD 180. That the 1815 eruption occurred during the middle of the Dalton Minimum (a period of unusually low solar activity) may also be significant.

The unusual climatic aberrations of 1816 had the greatest effect on the northeastern United States, Atlantic Canada, and parts of western Europe. Typically, the late spring and summer of the northeastern U.S. and southeastern Canada are relatively stable: temperatures (average of both day and night) average about 68 °F (20 °C) and 77 °F (25 °C) and rarely fall below 41 °F (5 °C). Summer snow is an extreme rarity.

In the spring and summer of 1816, a persistent “dry fog” was observed in the northeastern US. The fog reddened and dimmed the sunlight, such that sunspots were visible to the naked eye. Neither wind nor rainfall dispersed the “fog”. It has been characterized as a stratospheric sulfate aerosol veil.[6]

In May 1816,[1] frost killed off most of the crops that had been planted, and on 4 June 1816, frosts were reported in Connecticut, and by the following day, most of New England was gripped by the cold front.[7] On 6 June 1816, snow fell in Albany, New York, and Dennysville, Maine.[8] Nearly 12 inches (30 cm) of snow was observed in Quebec City in early June, with consequent additional loss of crops—most summer-growing plants have cell walls which rupture even in a mild frost. The result was regional malnutrition, starvation, epidemic,[clarification needed] and increased mortality.

In July and August, lake and river ice were observed as far south as Pennsylvania. Rapid, dramatic temperature swings were common, with temperatures sometimes reverting from normal or above-normal summer temperatures as high as 95 °F (35 °C) to near-freezing within hours. Even though farmers south of New England did succeed in bringing some crops to maturity, maize and other grain prices rose dramatically. The price of that staple food, oats,[9] for example, rose from 12¢ a bushel ($3.40/m³) in 1815, equal to $1.52 in today’s purchasing power to 92¢ a bushel ($26/m³) in 1816, equal to $12.6 today. Those areas suffering local crop failures had to deal with the lack of roads in the early 19th century, preventing any easy importation of bulky food stuffs.[10]

Cool temperatures and heavy rains resulted in failed harvests in Britain and Ireland as well. Families in Wales travelled long distances as refugees, begging for food. Famine was prevalent in north and southwest Ireland, following the failure of wheat, oats, and potato harvests. The crisis was severe in Germany, where food prices rose sharply. Due to the unknown cause of the problems, demonstrations in front of grain markets and bakeries, followed by riots, arson, and looting, took place in many European cities. It was the worst famine of the 19th century.[8][11]

In China, the cold weather killed trees, rice crops, and even water buffalo, especially in northern China. Floods destroyed many remaining crops. Mount Tambora’s eruption disrupted China’s monsoon season, resulting in overwhelming floods in the Yangtze Valley in 1816. In India the delayed summer monsoon caused late torrential rains that aggravated the spread of cholera from a region near the River Ganges in Bengal to as far as Moscow.[12]

In New York City, the temperature dropped to −26 °F (−32 °C) during the ensuing bitter winter of 1817. This resulted in a freezing of New York’s Upper Bay deep enough for horse-drawn sleighs to be driven across Buttermilk Channel from Brooklyn to Governors Island.[13]

The effects were widespread and lasted beyond the winter. In eastern Switzerland, the summers of 1816 and 1817 were so cool that an ice dam formed below a tongue of the Giétro Glacier high in the Val de Bagnes. In spite of the efforts of the engineer Ignaz Venetz to drain the growing lake, the ice dam collapsed catastrophically in June 1818.[14]

So you see, DARK DOES MATTER. The years 1811-1817 were just a miniature example of what the dinosaurs experienced at the end of their lives.

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Recent findings suggest a meteor from a serial impact off the dust tail of Comet C/1811 F1 was the initial mechanism to cause The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812.

There is a central semi-circular depression in Northeastern Marshall County, Mississippi, which every hill in the valley emanates out from in a shockwave pattern. On the northwest face numerous unusual rocks were found, with the appearance of melt rock, fusion crust, vitrification, shatter cones, fallback breccia, shocked quartz, nanodiamonds, etc… All aspects of impactites.

On satellite view draw an imaginary line down the middle of The New Madrid bend straight to where the rocks were found in North Slayden, Mississippi. Notice the lines in the topography showing direction, angle and force of impact. Follow each river to the north [Wolf, Hatchie, Loosahatchie, etc.] down each of their valleys to view the larger waves from a shock that extends from The Tennessee River on the east around passed The St. Francis River on the west. The man-made lakes to the south [Sardis, Arkabutla, Enid,…] is where the land was split apart and pulled upward. Later irt was determined these chasms would make good lakes, so they were blocked by earthen dams. Every detail in the topography points to and surrounds this same central location.

An ice sheet can not pull land upward, away from the equator and against gravity. Inland seas would have left sandy beaches, and could not have left evenly spaced rolling hills. Naturally occurring earthquake lights could not have been seen from distances reported, some as far as Savannah, Georgia. It is my belief that all the glacial melt gravel and inland sea sand was reformed by this impact on December 16, 1811.

William Herschel’s observations concur. Many saw the comet as 50% larger than the sun in October 1811. The comet must have passed by in late November/early December 1811. It is my belief that the comet came up from the southern hemisphere and passed in front of our planet and as the Earth went through its dust tail, several meteors impacted, one large enough to cause this event. In fact, there were many events similar to the New Madrid quakes. Caracas, Venezeula had a major earthquake in december 1811 as well, and there were many earthquakes, eruptions, strange weather patterns,… all over the globe.

There is much more to this. Here is just a starting point: http://koolkreations.wix.com/kalopins-legacy ,”Kalopins Legacy”,”wix”,”documents and links”,”A Few Comments on 1811″. “A Theory of Cometary Associations with Earthquakes”. Find out how fascinating this becomes. How many know that a huge comet barely missed just two centuries ago? Find the truths behind the myths…of what now appears to have been A Great Cometary Catastrophe…
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Thanks!

The comet impact triggered 7 years of global cooling which I believe was triggered by months of orbiting by that massive comet nucleus. I will read. A massive impact like 13,000 years ago will send us to the next ice age
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[Kalopin]

  26 Mar 2013, 17:38

I want you to do more than apologize. I want you to pull up stakes & go away. You have fouled this forum with your preposterous bullshit for far too long. Your bullshit is a waste of space & time. This is not the place to showcase your mental illnesses.

You lied when you stated that the steaming pile of bullshit you fatuously call a 'paper' is peer reviewed. It is posted, not published, on a website that will accept 'papers' from anyone on any subject without any review or oversight. Your 'paper' is nothing more than a rambling, incoherent mess of unrelated copy/pasted articles. And, as per usual, you stated your 'oh so learned' opinion, threw in what you consider supporting data & then demand that the readers prove that you're wrong. You seem to have the process backward Tony... The accepted method is for YOU to prove your theory, not the reader.

Stop wasting our time with your ravings Tony & go away.

Do you understand the point in an argument?
...it is to convince the other you are correct...
What I am trying to explain to you, is that you have been fooled. You accept present beliefs?
How difficult is it to realize that the earthquakes in the central U.S. were only a small part of all the disasters which occurred at the same time?

[...my paper has been published in a peer reviewed journal...
You do not have to be a part of this discussion. If you can not find any argument to point to the NMSZ to be the reason for all the effects recorded, the geography, topography of the valley and the reason for the meteorites found at the center of a shockwave pattern, then, all you have to do is- stfu!]

[your response is proof to your lack of investigative abilities. I have put numerous accounts, satellite views, views of impactites,...and have explained many details- all pointing to the effects from a close passing comet..

....but you are free to believe that a fault in the middle of a tectonic plate, beneath hundreds of feet of gravel and sand, could somehow restructure the surface of the entire valley, not to mention all the reports of the comet's effects, the many accounts recording meteoric activity, and all the other eruptions, quakes, extreme weather that is written in history...]

[Kalopin]

http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/savannah.htm
"...preceeded by a meteoric flash of light..."
...from Savannah Georgia, ...seen between 2 and 3a.m....
...from way too far to be any kind of naturally occurring earthquake lights...

Now, give me your explanation, as you have mine...
...and my explanation makes all the sense [Occam's razor]...
...common belief and what is currently being taught, makes absolutely NO sense!...

[Kalopin]

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extinct volcano underneath coliseum in Jackson, MS
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Jackson, Mississippi is the only U.S. city or populated place in all of America that sits on top of an extinct volcano.
Right where the Coliseum is, is where its highest point is; it encompasses the three counties of Hinds, Madison, and Rankin.
It is an Igneous volcano that contains somewhat of a chance of
reactivating, especially, considering, the New Madrid Fault (which is provided along Igneous rock bodies as well)
which could 'trigger' it, if ever there is a major earthquake provided.
There is also another underground smaller volcano in Humphreys County, MS, nicknamed "MIDNIGHT" for the city or road it is nearby.
Another interesting fact is somewhere between Rankin County and Jones County, MS is a supposed seond largest salt dome cavern in the nation. It's a very well kept secret along with a place called the "Devil's Backbone", (5 miles west of Florence, MS, in an area close to the Pearl River.) It is a creek that contains scars of a once deep and swift moving river and a small strata of where there are many marine fossils and limestine caves, much of which has not been fully explored. Even before that, this area was entirely an ocean with an area northward coined as the "Jackson Island" which held the volcano, where the city of Jackson, MS presently is located. Jackson Island was part of an ancient "Ring of
Fire" that generally followed a elongated curve from the western part of
Florida, upwards into southeastern Arkansas, and then down to the eastern edge of Texas.

...have nicknames, stories and legends, never been referred to as calderas, only standing volcanoes, conflicting discovery dates- 1819 and 1860, no ground penetrating radar,... and, one of the last stories was- natives told settlers, in Natchez, Ms., just after the quakes, that "Burning mountain had been rent to its base"...
http://www.showme.net/~fkeller/quake/lib/roosevelt.htm

It is also reported, through the medium of some Indians, from the country adjacent to the Washita, who arrived a few days since at the Walnut Hills, some distance above Natchez, that the Burning Mountain, up the Wichita river, had been rent to its base. This information I received from a settler at the Hills, and his appearance was such as to attach credit to his information. - Your obedient servant,

W. L. PIERCE

above is from:
http://www.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Cente ... 3-app.html

http://www.howderfamily.com/blog/jackson-volcano/

A shallow sea covered a wide area of modern-day central and southeastern United States, including most of Mississippi. Interspersed, there were several volcanic islands that rose above the seas in a rim-of-fire. The Jackson Dome, now buried and mostly unknown, was one of those islands.

...and so, how could the volcanoes have been buried 70mya and be known as the "Jackson Dome"?
[This is what is being taught- complete nonsense!]

[oh yea- the Wichita river was renamed the Pearl river by de Iberville...]

...deduction claims these two volcanoes fell into there own empty magma chambers on December 16, 1811...

[circumspice]

Tell us Tony... What does this bullshit have to do with your crackpot theory, let alone have anything to do with archaeology? You take the lazy route & do nothing more than copy/paste other people's work. Then in your shotgun approach to try to deluge this forum with your bullshit, you get even lazier & fail to proof read your own bullshit posts... This type of shit is a waste of space. Go away Tony.


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[Kalopin]

Tell us Tony... What does this bullshit have to do with your crackpot theory, let alone have anything to do with archaeology? You take the lazy route & do nothing more than copy/paste other people's work. Then in your shotgun approach to try to deluge this forum with your bullshit, you get even lazier & fail to proof read your own bullshit posts... This type of shit is a waste of space. Go away Tony.

...then why would you reprint it before I could edit?
...allow me to explain- due to the controversial nature of my research, I am constantly being bombarded with malware and so, many times when I try to edit, the browser will crash...

Why don't you study the info. related and give me an explanation?
[...I believe your comments to be the "waste of space"!...]

[circumspice]

Tell us Tony... What does this bullshit have to do with your crackpot theory, let alone have anything to do with archaeology? You take the lazy route & do nothing more than copy/paste other people's work. Then in your shotgun approach to try to deluge this forum with your bullshit, you get even lazier & fail to proof read your own bullshit posts... This type of shit is a waste of space. Go away Tony.

...then why would you reprint it before I could edit?
...allow me to explain- due to the controversial nature of my research, I am constantly being bombarded with malware and so, many times when I try to edit, the browser will crash...

Why don't you study the info. related and give me an explanation?
[...I believe your comments to be the "waste of space"!...]

1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex

[Kalopin]

1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex

Circumspice- look around you ;-]-
-no one is defending current belief...anyone and everyone involved that has tried has failed miserably- to support any belief that the NMSZ was [or is] capable to cause the destruction recorded in history and written in the geography. Many scientists have already substantiated these findings. They have tried to lower the estimates, they have tried to remake history, saying the churchbell's ringing was just a myth, they have disregarded so many accounts and reports of massive loss of life and the fact that the entire river valley was changed...

...short of and barring another similar or greater disaster, or, unless the entire embayment is bulldozed, the evidence is and will be written in the stratigraphy of the Mississippi river valley...
Do you understand how to interpret stratigraphy within a planet's geography?
The entire Mississippi embayment shows clearly the design of an enormous astrobleme, a shockwave from a meteor impact...
...and, for just one example, there is no other process that has the ability to melt a horseshoe and wagonwheel endcap, welding vitrified sand and impact melt rock straight from the ejecta blanket within these man-made iron objects...

there is more than enough to warrant for further investigation, no doubt...
...so, why is this not being looked into?...
...because it goes so far against the status quo!...
...look about...

[kbs2244]

Was there an impact or not?

Intresting argument on both sides.

I would like to see less name calling and more evidence given.

[Minimalist]

really?
...do you not know about the extreme drops in temperatures in 1811?
...have you never heard of the years 1811-1817 being referred to as a mini ice age?

No. And a quick Google Search showed precious few people who do. The search string "Mini Ice Age" defaulted to "Little Ice Age" which has already been mentioned.

I clicked on your link and do you know what it reminded me of? When I was in college in the late 1960's the head of the John Birch Society gave a speech on campus. (This was before people protested against speakers they did not like). He had an interesting routine. When ever he wanted to back up a point he referred to a book or several books all of which he assured us were on sale in the lobby. Afterwards, when I looked through the books I found they were all published by RightWingNuts Publishing and all the authors were writing complimentary notes on the jackets.
Anyone can put up a link which says they are right. The religious do it all the time. Where is an actual evaluation of your hypothesis from a disinterested third party?

[Kalopin]

really?
...do you not know about the extreme drops in temperatures in 1811?
...have you never heard of the years 1811-1817 being referred to as a mini ice age?

No. And a quick Google Search showed precious few people who do. The search string "Mini Ice Age" defaulted to "Little Ice Age" which has already been mentioned.

I clicked on your link and do you know what it reminded me of? When I was in college in the late 1960's the head of the John Birch Society gave a speech on campus. (This was before people protested against speakers they did not like). He had an interesting routine. When ever he wanted to back up a point he referred to a book or several books all of which he assured us were on sale in the lobby. Afterwards, when I looked through the books I found they were all published by RightWingNuts Publishing and all the authors were writing complimentary notes on the jackets.
Anyone can put up a link which says they are right. The religious do it all the time. Where is an actual evaluation of your hypothesis from a disinterested third party?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ca ... _blog.html

December 24, 1811. Mentioned here, as with others, because Washington was on the almost-dry western and southern periphery of what turned out to be one of the worst blizzards to strike Long Island and southern New England in decades. Were it not for the near-zero temperatures and hurricane-like winds reported during the heart of the storm, it might not have been so vividly remembered,...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?acti ... tory;sess=

New century! Some big winters this century
. 1811: A late start for severe winters in the 1800s, but January of 1811 saw the Thames freeze, once again!

1812: A year later, and March this time. 1ft of snow fell in Scotland, around the city of Edinburgh (I think Edinburgh and London had the most weather records of anywhere in the UK due to their frequency in data being recorded) followed by drifting in a gale force North Easterly! 1813-1814: Not many of the 1800s winters had I heard of before about 3-4 years ago, but this one I had, due to its severe cold. One of the 4/5 coldest winters in the CET series. Colder winters included: 1962-63 (see part 1739-40 (see part 3) and the coldest, 1683-84 (see part 2) 'Lorna Doone'. A memorable winter overall. January to March was very cold. January had a CET of -2.9 (third coldest since records began?) The next comparible year in terms of cold weather being 1962-63. The tidal stretch of the Thames froze for the last time, the old London Bridge was removed, and other factors helped increase the rivers flow, preventing ice forming again. If it was the same now as it was back then, we would still see it being frozen. A frost fair was held on the Thames, possibly the last 'great' one. The frost began in late December, approaching the new year. Thick fog came with the frost, as was common in London at the time. Probably one of the snowiest winters in the last 300 years, although 1947 was likely to have been snowier. Heavy snow fell for 2-3 days in early January, before a temporary thaw of 1 day. Then the frost just returned, possibly more severe than before due to the snow cover, and persisted until early February. A thaw followed later, and ice floating down the river damaged ships. Fog was also a hazard and took a long time to clear, lasting from late December to early January, an unusual occurrence. Visibility was down to 20 yards at times! Traffic hardly moved, and travelling became very dangerous. The fog cleared following a Northerly gale in early January, when heavy snow fell. A severe and very snowy winter.

1816: Known as the year without summer, snow fell very late on, and the summer never recovered. The winter proceeding it was severe. A volcanic eruption (Tambora: East Indies) disrupted wind patterns and temperatures greatly, affecting the track of depressions, which tracked further South than usual, and making the UK very cold an wet for the summer and beyond. Scotland was drier though, an obvious sign that the depressions changed track. In September the Thames had frozen! Snow drifts remained on hills until late July!

http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1800_1849.htm

Jan 1811 Thames frozen over. 8
May, 1811 Thunderstorms on 9 days in May in the London area. 8
1811 (September) Fog on 7 days (London/South). 8
March 1812 Snow fell 1 foot (circa 30cm) deep about Edinburgh, followed by drifting in NE gale 21st to 23rd. 6
1812
(Spring, Summer
& Autumn) 1. Spring & Summer 1812 were notably cold. The anomaly for both seasons on the whole-series (CET) mean was around -1.5C, with March, April, June, July & August having anomalies in excess of -1C. April 1812 was unusually cold, with a CET value of 5.5degC (-2.4C) & thus one of the 'top-dozen' or so cold such-named months. It was the coldest Spring since 1799, and it was not to as cold again in Spring until 1837, though in this latter year, the summer was warm. By contrast, 1812 experienced one of the coldest summers across England & Wales using the CET series (began 1659).
2. In addition to the extended cold, rainfall was often excessive. The months of February & March 1812 experienced EWP anomalies of 177% & 150% respectively, which with the cold ground, would have had a severe effect on the germination of crops sown, or about to be sown. Indeed, although April was drier than average, May, June and July were all wet (averaging ~135%), so sowing may have been impossible on heavier soils.
3. The backwardness of the crops, plus the extended wet/cold weather (with probably a lack of sunshine, though there are no contemporary records for this), meant that the harvest that year was also delayed, as well as being of a low yield. From records in Yorkshire, the harvest began around 20th September, and was not finished until the second week of November (Wintringham Parish Register).
Heavy snow fell during the period 3rd to 5th January, 1814 and this was followed by a temporary thaw which only lasted one day; the frost then returned (often severe over snow cover) and persisted until the 5th February. The Thames was frozen solid from 31st January to 5th February and a frost fair was held on the river; a thaw took place between 5th and 7th February and the drifting ice damaged shipping considerably. [Note also that other rivers had ice problems, such as the Mersey & the Severn - the Thames always gets the headlines! Mention in chronicles of skating at Bristol and horses being ridden over these rivers: no doubt others in the country were similarly affected.]
In addition to the heavy frost, fog was an additional hazard, which commenced (in London) on the 26th/27th December, and only lifted on the 3rd January, 1814. On the 27th December, the fog was so dense (under 20 yards/metres) that the Prince Regent (later George IV), who was on his way to visit the Marquis of Salisbury at Hatfield House, near St. Albans, had to turn back at Kentish Town and return to Carlton House. This short journey took several hours and one of the Prince Regent's outriders fell into a ditch at Kentish Town. The fog was still dense on the 28th December and on that night the Maidenhead coach, which was returning from London, lost its way and overturned. Dense fog continued on 29th December and the Birmingham mail coach took nearly 7 hours to go from London to just past Uxbridge (west Middlesex). Traffic was almost at a standstill in London on the nights of 30th and 31st December; many coachmen had to lead their horses and others only drove at a walking pace. Only pedestrians who knew the locality well dared venture forth, and even some of them lost their way. The fog was finally cleared by a cold northerly wind, accompanied by heavy snow, which set in on the 3rd January 1814 (though Lamb in ref. 6 says this occurred 5th/6th).

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/na ... itude.aspx

"...The Russian winter arrived with all its severity on the 6th of November. Unimaginable suffering overtook the army. Ice and snow covered the roads, making transport nearly impossible. Horses slipped on the ice and could not be lifted back to their feet. Men began dying of exposure, freezing to death where they fell as the temperature dropped to 17 degrees below zero. Starvation once again began to devastate the ranks. Foraging parties left the main column of march in search of food only to be driven away, killed or captured by the Russian Cossacks. "The soldiers knew there was plenty to be had if they could move to the left or right, but they were hemmed in on either side by the Cossack horsemen, who knew that all they had to do was ride, as for killing, they could leave that to General Winter. Confined to the great road the whole army was now living almost entirely on horse flesh."[32]

Many faced the risks of leaving the road to forage. Those soldiers captured by the Russians received little mercy. Very often they pleaded to their captures to kill them and end their misery. But vengeance demands suffering and few had their desires of a quick death satisfied. Prisoners were routinely stripped naked and marched through the sub zero temperatures. Others were either tortured or killed by the peasantry whose methods of revenge were most horrific. Prisoners were reported has having been burned or buried alive. One observer witnessed "Sixty dying naked men, whose necks were laid upon a felled tree, while Russian men and women with large faggot-sticks, singing in chorus and hopping round, with repeated blows struck out their brains in succession."[33]

Those who were able to continue would retain the haunting memories of suffering masses during this march to Smolensk. Of the 96,000 who left Maloyaroslavets, nine days later only 50,000 would enter the city. The temperature had dropped to 28 degrees below zero. The barrels of the muskets were so cold that they stuck to the hands of those carrying them. Only those who witnessed the events are able to accurately describe the horrors of those nine days. Sir Robert Wilson witnessed, "The naked masses of dead and dying men; the mangled carcasses of 10,000 horses which had in some cases been cut for food before life had ceased; the craving of famine at other points, of forming groups of cannibals; the air enveloped in flame and smoke; the prayers of hundreds of naked wretches flying from peasantry, whose shouts of vengeance echoed incessantly through the woods; the wrecks of cannon, powder-wagons, all stores of every description: it formed such a scene as probably was never witnessed in the history of all the world."[34] General Count de Langeron, commander of a Russian infantry division, "saw a dead man, his teeth deep in the haunch of a horse which was still quivering. I saw a dead man inside a horse, which he had disemboweled and emptied in order to crawl inside and get warm. I saw another man tearing with his teeth at the entrails..."

...here's a few, but I agree, there should be much more info. [...and I know of several accounts that have been moved, removed, edited,...]

[Kalopin]

Was there an impact or not?

Intresting argument on both sides.

I would like to see less name calling and more evidence given.

thanks,
...well, if they keep it up, I have plenty more...[...and, I intend to present enough evidence to give proof to my hypotheses, oh, wait, I already have, you see what I'm sayin'?]

Yes, it was a meteor impact,...
...how's Tecumseh crater sound? ;-]

[circumspice]

Check it out... I can copy/paste too!

This is copied from Alternate History (dot com)

Enjoy!

http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/t ... 12.240198/


Everyone Understood a Meteor Caused The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-12

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Apr 23, 2012

KalopinBanned

The years 1811 and 1812 were riddled with catastrophe. Earthquakes, eruptions, floods, and severe weather happening all over the planet. Many were convinced that The Great Comet of 1811 was responsible. 

Although it is true that the study of Near Earth Objects acting as external crustal stessors is basically in its infancy, it is understood how an impact can create an earthquake, or at least an earthquake type scenerio.

This is what occured on December 16, 1811 at 2:30 a.m.. A meteor coming from the dust tail of Comet C/1811 F1 impacted Northern Mississippi and was the initial mechanism to cause The New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-12. For the facts go towww.wix.com/koolkreations/kalopins-legacy,documents and links, "A Few Comments on 1811" and read this little article. This is a lost history, overlooked and forgotten, maybe from fear or superstition, maybe it was just too difficult to believe. Yet these are the facts behind the myths.

I have wondered many times, what if everyone knew and understood what had occurred two centuries ago. Do you think we would be better prepared now for such an event? Would we already have plenty of technology to divert NEOs?

Apr 23, 2012

Ioriダークアビスの特使。

The New Madrid Earthquakes had nothing to do with Meteorites (Meteors burn up in the atmosphere, Meteorites don't and strike the Earth), it has to do with the fact a large Fault Line runs through the area.

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Apr 23, 2012

KalopinBanned

Iori said: ↑

The New Madrid Earthquakes had nothing to do with Meteorites (Meteors burn up in the atmosphere, Meteorites don't and strike), it has to do with the fact a large Fault Line runs through the area.

A large enough meteor will make it to impact. This was a meteor from a comet, mostly ice, sand, dust, smaller rocks, and some boulder sized that only half melted through the atmosphere, coming in at a low trajectory from the south and impacting a frozen lake with the soil horizons consisting of gravel, sand, dirt, and on top of The Artesian Wells [water], which greatly affected the outcome.

When you get a minute, go to a satellite view and zoom in to the top right of Marshall County Ms.. Although the immediate crater is rather difficult to see. It is a complex crater and has plenty of tree growth, erosion,and development, once you begin to pan out, notice how all topography encircles the proposed crater site. The rivers to the north were pushed upwards and go around the area. The man-made lakes to the south run from east to west beneath the impact and is where the land was pulled upward and apart by the blast. The is also the reason that The Tennessee River flows back northward.

The land was not pulled upward by an ice sheet, against gravity and away from the equator, as is the current theory, because this is not possible. Although there may have been lights coming from quartz crystals, gas pockets, ball lightning, or even charged rock, it would not have been seen from several states over and going across the skies, as was reported.

The fault lies in the middle of The North American Plate against the direction of the edge of the plate and it just ends on either side. Currently seismologists claim it was a "failed rift", yet there is no up-lift and no subduction zone, just the fault from seemingly nowhere. This has been confusing to many seismologists. This impact explains it all.

Yes, I understand how incredible this may sound, but the topography of the entire Mississippi River Valley is the result of a shockwave from this impact. Soon you will see how amazing and true this discovery really is. There are already a few that have realized that this is actually what had occurred and it is my wish to soon make this common knowledge. Find the truth behind all the myths, search "Kalopins Legacy".

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Apr 23, 2012

SavoyTruffleMemeber

... this is a troll thread, right?

Apr 23, 2012

Ioriダークアビスの特使。

SavoyTruffle said: ↑

... this is a troll thread, right?

Either that or one of the odder forms of 'Hatters.

Apr 23, 2012

KalopinBanned

Iori said: ↑

Either that or one of the odder forms of 'Hatters.

Can't control what you are taught, only what you learn.

Whatever, NO, this is not a joke, I am completely serious. 

I invite you to study all the evidence you may find on these events, study the rocks pictured at the website, read the article, study the satellite view, and then decide. There is much more to this story and how it affected our history in so many ways, without ever really being known. Although most of the general public at the time believed that the comet was responsible [they were right].

Apr 23, 2012

CalBearYour Ursus arctos californicus ModeratorModerator

Kalopin said: ↑

Can't control what you are taught, only what you learn.

Whatever, NO, this is not a joke, I am completely serious. 

I invite you to study all the evidence you may find on these events, study the rocks pictured at the website, read the article, study the satellite view, and then decide. There is much more to this story and how it affected our history in so many ways, without ever really being known. Although most of the general public at the time believed that the comet was responsible [they were right].

Why, thank you for stopping by.

I'm sure you need to get back home before the village misses you.

Do come back and let us know when the shuttle arrives.

Banned for being bug-fuck insane.

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[Kalopin]

Thanks, that's one of my favorites! :-]
[...and then, go through and look at the crazy b.s. they discuss on "alternate history"!]
[...maybe they were too scared?]
I enjoyed the laugh though, knowing the amount of their stupidity. I have received similar reception on a few others...
why, do you think it makes this research look any less legit?