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[Simon21]

Simon, I suppose we must show some tolerance for the old and senile.

I haver never accused you of senlity. You are a crank but that has nothing to do with age, skin colour, or sex.

What I said was that the better pieces of Anglo-Saxon bling were plunder,
and there was a jewelry workshop somewhere in SW Scotland...
and that statement is based on far more than one trip there.

I know what you said. It was a pathetic attempt to row back from your earlier idiotic statements (remember the one about the A/S kidnapping goldsmiths? Ho ho desperate stuff). Have you read what I said? No of course not. And the presence of this one shop leads you to conclude that the A/S had no such workshops.

And you pretend to know something about archaeology. Let's try again. The chief articles found in thre A/S tombs were either made by the A/S themselves of their continental neighbours. Not one, as far as I am aware, has claimed any to have found anything associated with Scotland.

Nothing. Got that? One cannot make it simpler.

As for

Simon, if you can't provide pointers to those Baltic garnet sources,
I am quite willing to let you go around in circles,
trying to coax more out of those text materials which have been thoroughly worked through.

I have provided you with at least two sources blowing your weird theories totally out of the water.

Given the state of your mind I think we may conclude with ease that you have never been on a proper archaeological dig (as in doing the digging) and your reading has been confined to SF comic books (and works by other cranks)since you do not seem to know the very basics.

Nothing. Got that? One cannot make it simpler.

[Simon21]

My new pamphlet is back from the printers,
with a major new site of importance to the tourist industry here in Ohio.
My little "vacation" is at an end,
and we have about 3 new sites requiring field survey.

Oh I see archaeology is about tourism. I thought it was about providing physical (largely) details of the past. I never knew Carter, etc saw themselves as tourist officers.

Everyone I speak to is keen to flock to the archaeological sites in Ohio, Egypt isn't in it.

Archseology and tourism generally do not mix.

I can think of several uses for your pamphletts

[E.P. Grondine]

The chief articles found in thre A/S tombs were either made by the A/S themselves
or their continental neighbours.
Not one, as far as I am aware, has claimed any to have found anything associated with Scotland.

Why you are incapable of thinking that the Cruit were not also "neighbors" of the Anglo-Saxons is beyond me.
It is also clear that you are completely unfamiliar with their material culture,
in particular the "themes" seen in their art.

Oh I see archaeology is about tourism.
I thought it was about providing physical (largely) details of the past.
I never knew Carter, etc saw themselves as tourist officers.
Archseology and tourism generally do not mix.

It is clear that you also are incapable of considering archeology and archaeologists
using standard anthropological techniques.
This is likely because you are unfamiliar with them as well.

Well, here's a few hints.
Archaeology does not take place in a vacuum.
All scientific work is done by PEOPLE,
and they have motivations for doing it.
The significance of any site is shown by peoples' interest in it,
and that interest is often demonstrated by their visits to it.
Those visis stimulate the local economies.

On a deeper level,
there is a continuity with the past
that local residents often find comforting.

Everyone I speak to is keen to flock to the archaeological sites in Ohio, Egypt isn't in it.

Well, they are about to have a new major site to visit.

I think we may conclude with ease that you have never been
on a proper archaeological dig (as in doing the digging)

Well, yes I have, and frankly its boring as hell, unless the site promises very very interesting finds.
Myself and my associates generally enjoy finding sites,
and seeing to their preservation,
leaving the digging for others.

But I suppose we must show some tolerance for the old and senile.

Simon, if you can't provide pointers to those Baltic garnet sources,
I am quite willing to let you go around in circles,
trying to coax more out of those text materials which have been thoroughly worked through.

And while you can read Latin,
you appear to be incapable of any more advanced Latin text work,
such as deconstruction to sources,
computer analysis of a text,
or even the preparation of a text for computer analysis of its vocabulary and grammar.

[circumspice]

EP... Let's cut through all the bullshit being flung with such zeal here.

Why did you hijack Simon's thread in the first place? All this stinking bullshit is a direct result of that hijacking. You interjected yourself into a discussion, then steered it away from the OP. Why is that? Do you feel the need to gain attention through such boorish behavior?

[Simon21]

The chief articles found in thre A/S tombs were either made by the A/S themselves
or their continental neighbours.
Not one, as far as I am aware, has claimed any to have found anything associated with Scotland.

Why you are incapable of thinking that the Cruit were not also "neighbors" of the Anglo-Saxons is beyond me.

How you can invent cultures defeats me and I suspect you have something of a "reputation" with archaeologists in Ohio. Except to say one one casts no aspersions on Ohio culture. One only hopes the relevant uthorities keep this individual far away from any sites.

Well, here's a few hints.
Archaeology does not take place in a vacuum.

Well in your head it kind of does since you make such idiotic assestions.

All scientific work is done by PEOPLE,

Yes people who have education, not self opionated moronic ranters who can't read a book and seem riddled with ridiculous prejudices

and they have motivations for doing it.

Who the fuck cares. Your motivations are pretty obvious. An ignored fool with a desperate desire to make himself relevant in a world that wisely takes no notice of his ranting.

The significance of any site is shown by peoples' interest in it,

Too moronic for words. So Disneyland is a great archaeological site is it? It is the scientific importance fool. Only three people might be working on it, but that does mean it lacks importance?

and that interest is often demonstrated by their visits to it.
Those visis stimulate the local economies.

Yeah and frequently destroys and damages the site eg Pompey, Giza, Carthage etc etc etc. But hey maybe you can give away a few pamphletts

On a deeper level,
there is a continuity with the past
that local residents often find comforting.

i wondered when this age old crank shite would come up. Feel connected to the past do you? Invoke the spirits of the local native peoples do we? Don't speak the language of course, do not understand the religion but hey I can put feathers in my hair.

Frankly people like you disgust me. Wearing bedsheets and silly hats and claiming to be druids. Demanding entrance to Stone Henge so they can caper about waving silly wands and claiming to be channeling their ancient ancestors.

what do you do? Put on the buffalo skin, find the nearest mound or site and then jump up and down pretending to be big chief Buffalo Arse or some such blasphemous, disrespectful rubbish to encourage the tourists.

These people and people like you do a lot of harm to the study of archaeology. Citing a Saint's life as a major source for analysis then admitting one cannot actually read any of the languages. Farcical

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Well, they are about to have a new major site to visit.

I refer to my former comment. Better get out the Buffalo Skin and the pamphletts.

I think we may conclude with ease that you have never been
on a proper archaeological dig (as in doing the digging)

Well, yes I have, and frankly its boring as hell, unless the site promises very very interesting finds.
Myself and my associates generally enjoy finding sites,
and seeing to their preservation,
leaving the digging for others.

Yeah as I though yu haven't actually been involved in a proper dig. If you had been you would know it is not simply about "finds". That is treasure hunting.

And while you can read Latin,

Which you cannot

you appear to be incapable of any more advanced Latin text work,
such as deconstruction to sources,

Unlike some moron who claims to be able to do so even though he cannot read latin or any other ancient language. And who has no idea how to read Saint's lives.

Computer analysis of a text,
or even the preparation of a text for computer analysis of its vocabulary and grammar.

Ah so now we run to technology. Well sorry Chief Bull's Arse you have to know what to ask the computer and what to make of the results and for that yu need a very thorough knowledge of the text. Which you do not have.

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[Simon21]

Why you are incapable of thinking that the Cruit were not also "neighbors" of the Anglo-Saxons is beyond me.
It is also clear that you are completely unfamiliar with their material culture,
in particular the "themes" seen in their art.

The Cruit are largely your invention in yur own damaged head. Let us try the Patton approach. "JEWELLERY YOU IDIOT REFLECTS THE CULTURE WHERE IT IS MADE. SO FUCK FEATURES A/S JEWELLERY IS GERMANIC.

I have provided you with enough evidence.

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[Simon21]

EP... Let's cut through all the bullshit being flung with such zeal here.

Why did you hijack Simon's thread in the first place? All this stinking bullshit is a direct result of that hijacking. You interjected yourself into a discussion, then steered it away from the OP. Why is that? Do you feel the need to gain attention through such boorish behavior?

You get this sort of crank undfortunately. Semi educated living no doubt on their own desperate need to be taken seriously. Just points the need for serious moderation. This indidividual could do with a rest until he is prepared to talk about archaeology.

[E.P. Grondine]

EP... Let's cut through all the bullshit being flung with such zeal here.

Why did you hijack Simon's thread in the first place? All this stinking bullshit is a direct result of that hijacking. You interjected yourself into a discussion, then steered it away from the OP. Why is that? Do you feel the need to gain attention through such boorish behavior

Well, spice, simon is presenting himself as n expert on an area and period
of which I know a little about,
which is to say I know enough to know that simon is no expert.
Having worked on recent small impact events for some 20 years now,
I am used to being called a crank by the intellectually challenged,
in other words by those too stupid to read an excavation or site report,
or to read a Latin translation into English.

The broad causes of the decline and collapse
of the western Roman empire were covered in my little essay from 15 years ago.
If you want to get into the specifics of Britain,
even after my stroke,
you better damn well know your stuff,
and that includes the tribes at that time,
including the Cruit.

My vacation is over,
if simon wants to spend that $125 to stay current,
that is his business.
As for me, I have to look up an address
and then put a package of "geological specimens" in the post -
right after I've finished with some very pressing business here in Ohio.

[E.P. Grondine]

How you can invent cultures defeats me and I suspect you have something of a "reputation" with archaeologists in Ohio.
Except to say one one casts no aspersions on Ohio culture.
One only hopes the relevant authorities keep this individual far away from any sites.

Simon, the Cruit existed.
That will continue to be true,
no matter how hard your try
to keep your ignorance of their existence.

Generally , I get along fine with competent archaeologists.
Also, generally I get along poorly with incompetent ones.
There appears to be an inverse relationship.
Generally, it reflects upon whether or not they know their stuff.
Those who do are generally comfortable with civil discussion,
and know the limits of their knowledge.

Your motivations are pretty obvious.

What you don't know about me would fill a book.

Tormenting the pretentious is what it is.
If you ant to tell me about the Anglo-Saxons, or Britania,
then you better damn well know the Cruit and Venturiones,
as othewise I just might call bulllshit.

An ignored fool with a desperate desire
to make himself relevant in a world that wisely takes no notice of his ranting.

Man in the mirror, simon.
Perhaps that's you problem, but it is not mine.
Once again, is you want to be taken seriously,
learn your stuff.
Right now it looks like that will cost you $125.

[Simon21]

EP... Let's cut through all the bullshit being flung with such zeal here.

Why did you hijack Simon's thread in the first place? All this stinking bullshit is a direct result of that hijacking. You interjected yourself into a discussion, then steered it away from the OP. Why is that? Do you feel the need to gain attention through such boorish behavior

Well, spice, simon is presenting himself as n expert on an area and period
of which I know a little about,
which is to say I know enough to know that simon is no expert.
Having worked on recent small impact events for some 20 years now,
I am used to being called a crank by the intellectually challenged,
in other words by those too stupid to read an excavation or site report,
or to read a Latin translation into English.

Though I admit that I do not know any of the languages I don't know trhe archaeology and I don't know the history.

I am used to being called a crank

I bet you are.

in other words by those too stupid to read an excavation or site report,
or to read a Latin translation into English

Yes why read the original language, such a demanding intellectual task. Better not to bother putting the effort in. Ignorance is so easay.

The broad causes of the decline and collapse
of the western Roman empire were covered in my little essay from 15 years ago.

Slightly odd no one took any notice of it.

If you want to get into the specifics of Britain,
even after my stroke,
you better damn well know your stuff,
and that includes the tribes at that time,
including the Cruit.

This from someone who does not even know Britain is bigger than Scotland.

My vacation is over,
if simon wants to spend that $125 to stay current,
that is his business.

I thik you are always on vacation

As for me, I have to look up an address
and then put a package of "geological specimens" in the post -
right after I've finished with some very pressing business here in Ohio.

Pity you can't find time to read a book.

[Simon21]

How you can invent cultures defeats me and I suspect you have something of a "reputation" with archaeologists in Ohio.
Except to say one one casts no aspersions on Ohio culture.
One only hopes the relevant authorities keep this individual far away from any sites.

Simon, the Cruit existed.
That will continue to be true,
no matter how hard your try
to keep your ignorance of their existence.

Of course they did old chap. Leprechauns too.

Generally , I get along fine with competent archaeologists.
Also, generally I get along poorly with incompetent ones.

Yes well your definitionb of competence has to be understood.

There appears to be an inverse relationship.
Generally, it reflects upon whether or not they know their stuff.
Those who do are generally comfortable with civil discussion,
and know the limits of their knowledge.

And how would someone who cannot be bothered to learn even one classical language or read a basic history text be able to judge?

Your motivations are pretty obvious.

What you don't know about me would fill a book.

But not a very big one eh. I am judging you on your ill informed ignorant opinions.

You are responsible for you words not me and not the nurse tending you.

Tormenting the pretentious is what it is.
If you ant to tell me about the Anglo-Saxons, or Britania,
then you better damn well know the Cruit and Venturiones,
as othewise I just might call bulllshit.

Since you do not known anything about Northern Britain having virtually admitted you have not not read the texts, have never heard of Cunedda, the Gododdin, Aneirin, Bede etc you will pardon me for mocking your ignorant silly statement.

Like claiming to be an authority on 19th century native American history but knowing nothing about the Louisiana purchase, Jefferson's expeditions, the languages, the cultures but basinbg all one's knowledge on past episodes of the Lone Ranger.

Man in the mirror, simon.
Perhaps that's you problem, but it is not mine.
Once again, is you want to be taken seriously,
learn your stuff.
Right now it looks like that will cost you $125.

Well you are the one ranting and raving aren't you old chap with your unread essays and unbought pamphletts. And what your $125 is about is only clear in your own damaged brain.

[E.P. Grondine]

Well you are the one ranting and raving aren't you old chap with your unread essays and unbought pamphletts.
And what your $125 is about is only clear in your own damaged brain.

As my essay has been reposted multiple times, it is not exactly "unread".
What work is currently being done in the region,
I do not know.
As for my pamphlets, my guides to sites and the people who built them,
they are doing quite well.
So it would appear that you are the one ranting and raving.

$125 is the price of that book from the fellow at Oxford,
who knows his stuff,
which is something that you do not.

Based on my prior experience.
I am pretty sure that I would get along fine with him,
and I think that it is likely that Oxford, like Cambridge,
is a direct train ride from London.

simon,
it occurred to me that I do not even know if the planks from which the long boats were built were sawn or not.
Nor what tools were used to drill the holes for them.
Perhaps spice or min knows,
but since you are completely ignorant of the stone tools used by the metal workers,
I do not hold out much hope for getting any useful information from you.
Like say information on Baltic garnet sources.

Well, at least you are not prattling on and on about the definition of "henge".

[circumspice]

EP... You appear to be more confused than ever. I tried to find references to "cruit" & "chuid" on the internet. The only references were the essay you posted on Cosmic Tusk & a reference to an island called Cruit. You seem to be speaking word salad more & more often of late. Perhaps you should make an appointment to see a competent neurologist. I think that you make up things in order to be perceived as a knowledgeable person. Yet, for all your blathering, nothing is backed up in reality by an outside authority. We all know that you believe that you are an authority on MANY subjects. You keep switching from one subject to another when the scrutiny becomes uncomfortable for you. One piece of advice for you EP... Stop misrepresenting yourself as an authority on any subject other than hack journalism. All the rest is outside of your purview.

Oh... Here's the definition of purview so you won't be confused... See definition #2 & #3.


Purview | Definition of Purview by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purview
Definition of purview. 1 a : the body or enacting part of a statute. b : the limit, purpose, or scope of a statute. 2 : the range or limit of authority, competence, responsibility, concern, or intention. 3 : range of vision, understanding, or cognizance.

[E.P. Grondine]

EP... You appear to be more confused than ever. I tried to find references to "cruit" & "chuid" on the internet. The only references were the essay you posted on Cosmic Tusk & a reference to an island called Cruit. You seem to be speaking word salad more & more often of late. Perhaps you should make an appointment to see a competent neurologist. I think that you make up things in order to be perceived as a knowledgeable person. Yet, for all your blathering, nothing is backed up in reality by an outside authority. We all know that you believe that you are an authority on MANY subjects. You keep switching from one subject to another when the scrutiny becomes uncomfortable for you. One piece of advice for you EP... Stop misrepresenting yourself as an authority on any subject other than hack journalism. All the rest is outside of your purview.

Oh... Here's the definition of purview so you won't be confused... See definition #2 & #3.

Purview | Definition of Purview by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purview
Definition of purview. 1 a : the body or enacting part of a statute. b : the limit, purpose, or scope of a statute. 2 : the range or limit of authority, competence, responsibility, concern, or intention. 3 : range of vision, understanding, or cognizance.

spice, I have never referred to the Cruit as an island, as they were a people.

I went through most of the materials simon goes on and on about many years and a stroke ago
while examining the "Gnostic aspects" of the "Pelagian" Christians.
My essay on the records of the Bazas impact
was originally circulated via the Cambridge Conference to impact specialists,
and has since been reposted multiple times elsewhere.

I lost my French in my stroke,
otherwise I would have translated that essay into French,
it may have had an effect on ESA budgets,
and it most likely will sometime in the immediate future.

I graciously pointed simon to the Life of Columba,
and it tuns out that all of the big dogs in the UK are working on those materials.
In other words, trying to establish the tribal history of the Cruit,
which in my view is the key to the events in sub-Roman Britain.

simon has a choice to make if he wants to maintain his competence on sub-Roman Britain.
He can either work through those materials on his own,
if he has the skills, which he has given no indication of having,
or he can read the works of those big dogs.

spice, if you want the regional specifics of the collapse of the western Roman Empire,
or Brtain's role in the later Empire,
you will have to do the same thing.
The price is $125 now for the first of those works.

There are many things I do not know about,
and much knowledge lost in my stroke as well.
If they have direct bearing on my work,
then I track down those who do have expertise,
and usually get along very well with them.

For example,I have no knowledge of Gaul E pottery,
but I have complete confidence in those who do.

Impact studies are trans specialty,
where geology and archaeology meet.
I have had the privilege and duty of working with
a previously unrecognized new factor in anthropology,
small asteroid and comet fragment impacts.

I am pretty well use to dealing with insecure abusive incompetents by now.

[circumspice]

Work on your reading comprehension EP... I didn't say you made any reference to the island named Cruit. I said that the only references I could find was your Cosmic Tusk essay & a reference to an island called Cruit.

I think that you made up a story about a purported group of people called Cruit & Chuid from whole cloth. If any such people had existed, the internet would have yielded links to sources other than just you.