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More bull?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:48 pm
by Starflower
They have found a large building dating back to 8800bce on the banks of the Euphrates.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 09,00.html
“A part of this community building takes the shape of the head of a bull and retains painted decorations, the oldest known in the Middle East,” he said.
Seems like there was an awful lot of bull going on back in the 'good ole days'
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:36 pm
by oldarchystudent
Bull motifs were pretty popular - Minoan and Mycenaean art is full of them.
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:53 pm
by stan
Let's see...isn't this about the same age as Jericho?
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:29 pm
by Starflower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho
Epipaleolithic -- construction at the site apparently began before the invention of agriculture, with construction of stone of the Natufian culture structures beginning earlier than 9000 BC.
I personally love the bullhead motiff at Catal Hoyuk.
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:49 am
by oldarchystudent
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:57 am
by stan
OK, Jericho is a few hundred years older than this place. So is this place
#2...?
I have never heard of another ancient building with a floorplan in the shape of an animal
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:41 pm
by marduk
I have never heard of another ancient building with a floorplan in the shape of an animal
eh ???
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:30 pm
by stan
Marduk:
"A part of this community building takes the shape of the head of a bull and retains painted decorations, the oldest known in the Middle East," he said.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:51 am
by Beagle
It's kind of curious that throughout history the bull has been a sort of religious icon, from India to Spain.
Ancient cultures in the middle east that worshipped Baal held the bull sacred, and the Minoans seemed to hold the bull as an important part of their culture.
And now we have an example from 8,800 BC.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:05 am
by oldarchystudent
Certain icons turn up just about everywhere for what they represent. Lions, Bulls etc = powerful and fearsome. Eagles = nobility and proficient killers. Unicorns = purity of intent.
Notice nobody has a slug as their national animal.
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:31 pm
by stan
Isn't the giant slug the mascot of Oregon or Washington state?
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:40 am
by marduk
i'd have to see a floor plan before i was convinced of this
basically what theyre saying then is a circle with two horns coming out of it
kinda missing the obvious arent they
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:00 pm
by stan
kinda missing the obvious arent they
you mean like not identifying the animal?
I hate it when these articles allude to such significant finds without a picture.
Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:54 am
by Starflower
http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1 ... stpage&a=1
On one side is a bull’s head, which several researchers believe is a symbol for the Moon Goddess in ancient Yemeni religion because the bull’s horns are crescent-shaped, which is one of the moon’s phases.
The bull was known as a symbol of power in ancient Yemen.
Its sculptors took the bull’s strength as a symbol of fertility.
According to Abduljalil, such antiquities were found in many Egyptian civilizations, particularly as the bull is depicted in numerous paintings and statues. Similarly, ancient Iraqi civilization featured a group of effigies for the bull, which symbolized the Goddess of Fertility.
Due to the bull’s importance as a significant symbol in ancient Yemeni religion, Yemeni houses contained many bronze antiquities, which now are abundant in the National Museum.
And then there is always still more bull.
Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:30 pm
by marduk
well the Bull being the symbol of lunar deities because it makes a nice crescent shape is absolute crap
in that region the water buffalo was a more popular symbol
water buffalo horns don't make a nice crescent shape ask any egyptian not that they'd know anyway they didn't get water buffalo until the common era yet were using them as symbols from pre dynastic times
hmmm, something rotting in denmark there
Bel Marduk was known as the Bull calf of the sun
Enki was apparently engendered by a wild bull
Gilgamesh has a bull as his symbol
theres some kind of connection here I can't quite put my finger on
hehe
nah i don't buy bull like that
reporters talk utter bs sometimes
maybe thats the connection
