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A Bone Flute...in Central Texas?
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:53 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Have I lost my sanity!?!?
Is this a flute made out of bone?
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone129.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone130.jpg
More images coming. Can anyone refer me to a good counselor....
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:04 pm
by stan
How big is it? How old is it?
Where was it found?
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:32 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:51 pm
by marduk
now that youve removed it from its location without deferring to correct excavation procedures whatever its made from it is now worthless
well done Charlie
besides which the holes are too close together and too large for it to be an effective wind instrument
looks kinda like what someone who was trying to fake some evidence would construct though
its not the first time this has happened is it
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:51 pm
by Minimalist
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:56 pm
by oldarchystudent
marduk wrote:now that youve removed it from its location without deferring to correct excavation procedures whatever its made from it is now worthless
well done Charlie
What???
Is he digging privately without recording context?
Charlie, I don't know you, but if you are doing this and you care about archaeology, you have to stop. It destroys the archaeological record.
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:57 pm
by marduk
whatever hes doing claiming "look I've found a bone flute" and only showing it to people on an amateur archaeological forum is not the correct procedure
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:11 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
I'm hoping Sam VanLandingham will perform diatom analysis to confirm that the bone is from this site, and a "early-entry" friendly team will confirm the age via C14 analysis. I got that sucker out of there ASAP, because of the heavy erosion that occurs after each rain. I can't properly explain to you, Min, how many artifacts have been washed downstream, because I simply can't transport them out of this dissected alluvium.
Diatom Evidence For Valsequillo Artifacts
Reply #24 - Aug 24th, 2006, 10:16pm
VanLandingham, S.L., 2006, Diatom evidence for autochthonous artifact deposition in the Valsequillo region, Puebla, Mexico during the Sangamonian (sensu lato = 80,000 to ca 220,000 yr BP and Illinoian (220,000 to 430,000 yr BP). J. Paleolimnol, 36, 101-116.
Journal of Paleolimnology
Diatom evidence for autochthonous artifact deposition in the Valsequillo region, Puebla, Mexico during the Sangamonian (sensu lato = 80,000 to ca. 220,000 yr BP and Illinoian (220,000 to 430,000 yr BP))
Journal Journal of Paleolimnology
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0921-2728 (Print) 1573-0417 (Online)
Subject Earth and Environmental Science
Issue Volume 36, Number 1 / July, 2006
Category Original Paper
DOI 10.1007/s10933-006-0008-4
Pages 101-116
Online Date Saturday, July 29, 2006
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m13 ... %20evidenc e%20for%20autochthonous%20artifact%20deposition%20in%20the%20Valsequillo%20region%2C%20Puebla%2C%20Mexico%20during%20the%20Sangamonian%20(sensu%20lato%20%3D%2080%2C000%20to%20ca.%20220%2C000%20yr%20BP%20and%20Illinoian%20(220%2C000%20to%20430%2C000%20yr%20BP))%22
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:28 pm
by marduk
And I've had no help, or even attention from "the club", because what I'm finding is "impossible". I'm a damn amatuer, and I know more than these idiots
really I am surprised
I thought it was because you are a crank and a troll
http://www.valsequilloclassic.net/Forum ... 923570#226
looks like youre now stepping up on the trolling by simply copying and pasting over exactly the same posts you are currently making at another forum
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:35 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Updated photos, and some good Texas Country for background listening:
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone129.jpg
Hypothesized Flute- Dorsal Side ca. 6"- Lima-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone130.jpg
Hypothesized Flute-Ventral Side- ca. 6"- Lima-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone131.jpg
Hypothesized Flute- Distal End- ca. 6"- Lima-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone132.jpg
Hypothesized Flute- Proximal/ Dorsal View- ca. 6"- Lima-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone133.jpg
Hypothesized Flute- Proximal/ Ventral View- ca. 6"- Lima-Igl
And, for your listening pleasure, some good ol' Texas Country music, a Central Texas favorite since 60,000-220,000 BP...
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... agweed.mp3
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... 0Green.mp3
Somethin' 'bout these hills, creeks and pretty trees just makes you want to sing, dance and play...West Texas folk call it God's country.
When you live off the land, music definitely helps soothe the the soul:
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20Sky.mp3
Just trying to get inside these guy's and gal's heads...it's not much of a leap.
I know, I'm going a bit Anthro....
I'm surprised we've had no critics yet....
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:33 pm
by marduk
charlie
I must apologise
I don't think youre a crank and a troll really
I was just in a bad mood when I wrote that
sorry
Steve
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:35 pm
by Minimalist
oldarchystudent wrote:marduk wrote:now that youve removed it from its location without deferring to correct excavation procedures whatever its made from it is now worthless
well done Charlie
What???
Is he digging privately without recording context?
Charlie, I don't know you, but if you are doing this and you care about archaeology, you have to stop. It destroys the archaeological record.
Charlie
is the archaeological record on that site, OAS.
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:44 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
oldarchystudent wrote:
marduk wrote:
now that youve removed it from its location without deferring to correct excavation procedures whatever its made from it is now worthless
well done Charlie
What???
Is he digging privately without recording context?
Charlie, I don't know you, but if you are doing this and you care about archaeology, you have to stop. It destroys the archaeological record.
Charlie is the archaeological record on that site, OAS
I ignored those two in my account long ago. Min, your a good man for pointing this out and supporting me. If I don't salvage this stuff, it's gone forever.
I must say, I have a tear in my eye right now. I'd kiss you, but we're not in the Middle East. So, how about a good handshake?
Seriously, thanks...I'm doing all I can Bro. I meant the good man part.
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:47 pm
by Minimalist
OAS is okay, Charlie....he just got the comment out of context.
The handshake sounds good.
You know, I know I used to break your balls about the pictures of 'rocks' but in all seriousness it seems that you keep pulling stones out of that site that have some indication of being "worked." I mean, any of those stones viewed individually could be passed off as just an interesting rock. But when you keep digging them up, time after time, it becomes hard to dismiss them as 'natural.'
What is it that you think you have there? Do you have a working hypothesis on it? You know me. I don't require absolute 'proof' but you must have some thoughts about the nature of the location?
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:30 pm
by stan
That point looks clovis-ish to me....isn't it fluted?
Very nice pieces you found. Charlie.
I ain't sure about that "flute." And is it bone?
I didn' t think there were perfectly cylinrica bones.
Could it be bamboo? Maybe a dumb question in the context of where you found it.
