Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

[Beagle]

I think that's very well said Frank. And I know you often don't agree with some of the views expressed here.

There has been too much knee jerk reaction lately.

[Beagle]

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/forum/vi ... .php?t=295

This page is from the Bosnian pyramid forum. Plenty of lively discussion going on there.

Scroll down the page and see what looks to be a well...or what?

[Beagle]

Scroll to the bottom of the page and read Doug Wellars post.

Why didn't you let us know about this Doug?

[Guest]

I have one year of college....no degree, but I have worked in the field with some of the top people in the archaeological field as far as Caddo Indians go. I have access to resources as a Steward with the THC which make me as informed as I want to be. I could get a job as a field archaeologist, but wihtout a degree the pay wouldn't be that good. Hell, even with a degree a field archaeologist doesn't make much. The big money is there only for PHDs. I'm not sure how big that money is even. It isn't necessary to have a degree to be able to work in archaeology, but it does help with the pay scale. There are many knowledgeable archaeologists who have no degree, but tons of experience. People like me don't do it for the money. We do it because we love it and we think it's important

i can agree with most of what frank is saying here, as for big money, according to Dr. Charles page (archaeologist) there is no big money for any one in the field. in his lectures he stated that oftenhe had topay out of hisown pocket to go on site and that is why most archaeologists hold teaching jobs when they are not exploring.

People like Schoch and Hancock and West make claims which cannot be backed up to the satisfaction of the mainstream and theses are claims which will change everything. Gotta have balls to do that, but you also gotta have lots of good evidence presented in a proffessional manner to back it up. Schoch has done this with the sphinx, even though it isn't widely accepted

to am extent, these people make observations that are valid and do lack the proof to back them up at times but then so does mainstream archaeology. i think at times politics plays a wrong role in defining the discoveries and what should or shouldn't be investigated.

in that sense we probably need mainstream options if for nothing else than to establish proper guidelines to enhance finding the truth and not impede investigation.

case in point: Os and his latest theorizing. we need guidelines to keep such thinking under control so archaeological sites similar to bosnia do not get destroyed and information lost. also tomake sure that artifacts discovered get credited to the proper civilization and time period.

Dr. Schoch can be reached through his website, or for a while, through the "Daily Grail" while he is in Bosnia. As you know

would you be kind enough to re-post those links please.

just a couple remarks--i can agree with frank that experience is just as good if not better than academia and after i graduated from my undergrad college i and basically all of us learned that what we learned in the clasroom didn't always work. experience was the better teacher.

see frank, you post good stuff

my problem has been that i come from a theological perspective which is not accepted generally and that provides a lot of resistance to my observations and conclusions. there is always resitance and rejection of alternative theories especially when it goes against 'the accepted' conclusions even though 'the accepted' conclusions have less evidence supporting them.

i know you know little about me but that is due to my privacy concerns, i have one degree in theology (from one of the best biblical univeristies in canada {evangelical})and two degrees in history and archaeology from universities that may not meet the academic standards of harvard or oxford, etc. i supplement my degrees with lots of reading which goes outside the religious world as the religious world is lacking in extensive research and honest presentation.

i do that for the purpose of returning to working with the religious world and educating them to a point where the have some better knowledge and understanding and can interact better with the secular world. by interact i mean present their beliefs in a way that is not insulting and hold a dialogue better than jean marie did.

anyways back to the pyramid--it is the 28th here in the eastern world, has schoch arrived as promised? since mostof the supporters f this dig have basically disappeared from this site news,pictures and links have been lacking.

what do we know now since the last outbust of Os.?

[Frank Harrist]

I knew I posted good stuff.

[stan]

archaeologist wrote:

know you know little about me but that is due to my privacy concerns, i have one degree in theology (from one of the best biblical univeristies in canada {evangelical})and two degrees in history and archaeology from universities that may not meet the academic standards of harvard or oxford, etc. i supplement my degrees with lots of reading which goes outside the religious world as the religious world is lacking in extensive research and honest presentation.

i do that for the purpose of returning to working with the religious world and educating them to a point where the have some better knowledge and understanding and can interact better with the secular world. by interact i mean present their beliefs in a way that is not insulting and hold a dialogue better than jean marie did.

thanks for sharing some personal information, Arch.
It helps me to understand you a little better.
As I read it, I thought...here is a person who has trouble fitting in,
who always finds himself going against the grain.
I can relate to that. I am amazed that you have been able to withstand
the grilling you have gotten here, some of it from me, earlier on.
But I have lost interest in the fight between you and Minimalist.

[Beagle]

I've been trying for an hour to log on to the url above and I have tried to log onto the site, but traffic must be huge. Maybe later, the pics are interesting.

[Guest]

But I have lost interest in the fight between you and Minimalist.

so have i. i hope the discussion going on in noah's flood will continue with good information and level heads.

RK--- here is the source of the idea about "the club" which seemed to be in effect in Schliemann's day. taken from 'The Bull of Minos" by Leonard Cottrell pg. 47

"Many of the professional scholars, particularly the Germans, had been opposed to Schliemann's excavations. For more than a century they have and their predeccessors had theorized, from the depthsof their study chairs, over the probable site of Troy; but not onehad goneout todig there. And now here was this audacious merchant, without academic training, a lover of publicity...hasty and inexact in his methods, ruthlessly tearing down a city which had probably never existed outside a poet's imagination."

i think this is what the others are referringto when they talk about the 'the club' itis more of an attitude that interferes with good investigative archaeology. though people like Hancock and psuedo-archaeologists do need firm guidelines so they don't go down the lunatic trail.

[Guest]

Cheers Arch. People who complain about a "club" ALWAYS cite Schliemann's experiences, forgetting just how even more class-ridden society was 160 years ago, and how new archaeology was at the same time. It was just sheer snobbery, nothing else, but that doesn't mean it's likely to be tolerated now.

[marduk]

though people like Hancock and psuedo-archaeologists do need firm guidelines so they don't go down the lunatic trail.

they actually built the lunatic trail which is now a 6 lane highway so expecting them to not go down it is a bit unlikely

[Beagle]

would you be kind enough to re-post those links please.

Here ya go, Arch:

www.robertschoch.net

www.dailygrail.com

[Guest]

People who complain about a "club" ALWAYS cite Schliemann's experiences

sorry i didn't realize you had heard it before but before you dismiss it 'the club' i face similar attitudes all the time and i know others do, so it is a safe bet that this demeanor is prevaleant today.


thanks beagle, i appreciate it.

[GG]

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/forum/vi ... .php?t=295

This page is from the Bosnian pyramid forum. Plenty of lively discussion going on there.

Scroll down the page and see what looks to be a well...or what?

thanks for this
have any of ya looked at this page and do ya still think that this is natural and not human made?

[Minimalist]

No, you're just being paranoid.....or nursing a king-sized chip on your shoulder for whatever reason best known to yourself.

Momma always taught me it was more polite to say "you're being naive" than "BULLSHIT!!!!"

[Minimalist]

People who make extraordinary claims without extraordinary proof are always going to be suspect.

Hold that thought, Frank. Sometimes it seems to be 'status dependent.'