Noah's Flood...

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Nope....nothing.



I wonder how come Arch hasn't tossed this one into the fray?


http://skepdic.com/icastones.html
The Ica stones are a collection of stones allegedly discovered in a cave near Ica, Peru. The andesite stones have had their oxidized surfaces engraved with depictions that call into question just about everything science has taught us about the origin of our planet, ourselves, and other species. For example, some of the stones depict men (who look like ancient Incas or Aztecs) attacking huge stylized monsters with axes. The monsters are said to be dinosaurs.
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oh please
not the Ica stones
even unexplained mysteries and crystal links have debunked that one
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Sshhhh!
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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I wonder how come Arch hasn't tossed this one into the fray?
maybe because i am smarterthan you give me credit.

thoughthat article reminds me of whar Hapgood wrote about in his book "Mystery in Acambaro". same idea of forgery and financial gain.
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Now Hapgood uses Hibbon extensively in his book and here is one example: pg. 250

"The closing millenia of the ice age saw an enormous mortality of animals in many parts of the world. Hibben estimated that as many as 40,000,000 animals died in North America alone (212:168). Many species of animals became extinct, including mammoths, mastodons giant beaver, sabertooth cats, giant sloths, woolly rhinoceros."

why would the ice age be the culprit, since there really is no real proof it is ? did these animals actiually become extinct prior to the flood or were they eliminated afterwords due to over hunting?

the ice age theory is too convenient an answer and does not really explain the evidence in south america.

"No one has been able to explain these widespread extinctions." pg. 250

well the Bible does but no one wants to accept its account because it is not as romantic as an ice age or meteorite or whatever else secular researchers have come up with.
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Hapgood has been satisfactorily debunked by pretty much everyone Arch
where does it say in the bible that ECD is valid ?
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Many species of animals became extinct, including mammoths, mastodons giant beaver, sabertooth cats, giant sloths, woolly rhinoceros."

A change in plant life would have ripple effects throughout the food chain of any ecosystem. When the herbivores starve, the carnivores starve right behind them. Animals are far less adaptive in their behavior than (most) humans.

Anyway, it makes more sense than a world wide flood that wiped out everyone except six guys in Turkey.
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surely a world wide flood would have destroyed every vegetable lifeform on earth
that would have collapsed the entire food chain
including Noah who apprently was at the top of it
or did he have enough seeds and enough dried food to last him until the next growing season came around as well ?
its funny
the bible doesnt mention him being an expert farmer
just that he liked a good drink
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Oddly, a lot of culture's flood myths make sure the Noah figure is told to take all kinds of seeds but not in the bible version.

I guess those pagan gods were better planners.
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Hapgood has been satisfactorily debunked by pretty much everyone Arch
maybe his theory of the path of the pole but i am not arguing his theory but using the evidence he and others have unearthed that most modern researchers wish to have remain buried.

i have no illusions about Hapgood but i do like what he discusses and what he has reported.
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When considering Hapgood, you must remember that he was writing some 50 years ago, and that many of his references date to the early part of the 20th century. Hibben, whom as Arch says, Hapgood quotes extensively from, was an archaeologist (not a geologist) who seems to have been rather overwhelmed by his excavation of debris caused by a valley flood - and made some fairly wild, unsubstantiated, assumptions. We should look for more recent colloborative evidence if we're to rely much on his interpretations.


Marduk and I know at least one person who loves Hapgood but refuses to read anything written in the past 50 years ....... I'm sure no-one here is like that :)
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Post by Essan »

As an aside, I've just found this online obituary for Frank Hibben

http://www.adamsguns.com/hibben.htm
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Marduk and I know at least one person

three
bowles, veracity and network angel
:roll:
and those are just the three who haven't made any money by claiming Hapgood corroborates their own psuedo theories
i wouldn't think i even need to mention who those people are
:roll:
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When considering Hapgood, you must remember that he was writing some 50 years ago
Hapgood has been satisfactorily debunked by pretty much everyone
these are typical arguments made by non-christian researchers who when faced with the evidence supporting the Bible, the try and find some escape route to not consider the reality.

instead of attacking the age and the author, present some evidence that would refute the Biblical account. it is quite clear that the evidence being discovered, no matter how long ago, points toward the credibility and truthfulness ofthe Bible. crying for more evidence won't change that fact.
A change in plant life would have ripple effects throughout the food chain of any ecosystem
and why couldn't the flood contribute to that change and speed up the demise of the dinosaurs? makes more sense than any other theory.

the evidence is there, how you apply it depends on your beliefs.
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and why couldn't the flood contribute to that change and speed up the demise of the dinosaurs?

Because the dinosaurs have been dead for 65 million years.




how you apply it depends on your beliefs.

Psychosis is not a belief system.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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