Caral, Peru

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:35 pm

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I still disagree. In addition to Stans' question, every ancient culture had their deities and tended to form their society around them. As far as I know they didn't worship any Pleiadean deities.

I think you should do a little research on that Beagle you might be quite surprised
http://www.pleiade.org/pleiades_02.html
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Firstly Marduk, in the future, please frame your answer to me in a less terse fashion. Usually,here, when we get post a url as an answer to a discussion, it's posted with a quote of the pertinent part of the article - as some of them are very long. We don't just post a url and tell someone to do some research. That could be considered rude here.

Thanks for the article, I read all of it. Maybe some one else here knows of native North American tribes that worshipped Venus but I don't. The meso-americans did. They were not mentioned in the article.

This is just a point of disagreement but we should probably move on to the other things about Caral. I'll need to read a bit as I'm not familiar with it.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:53 pm

on asking a question like what cultrues in the ancient world had a thing with the pleaides the answer would run into pages and pages
it would be easier to find a culture that didn't care about the pleaides
I've been looking for three years and haven't found any yet
that web page was a good start
heres another one strictly for mesoamerica
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa ... es&spell=1

That could be considered rude here

twice now Beagle you have proved yourself to be extremely rude without provocation towards me so pardon me for not realising you are so sensitive
I am so so sorry
ok ?

maybe at some point you could move onto Aspero

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:59 pm

Great. I'm looking forward to you posting some good stuff Marduk. That's what we all like here.

Now I have to find a little more out about Caral.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:20 pm

Marduk that url seems to have a lot of appropriate info. I'll give it every consideration.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:09 pm

http://www.mysterious-america.net/caralbygp.html

Caral’s importance for the world rests on many fascinating and intriguing facts rather than in its striking monumentality as in the case of places like Macchu Picchu or Teotihuacan. For instance, other than considering China, Egypt, Mesopotamia, India and Central America, we can now reliably speculate about an older original civilization in the Americas, one located in Peru and being at least 1,000 years older than Monte Alban in Mexico which, off course, lies much closer to the Straight of Bering. Roughly speaking, it is calculated that Caral was occupied between 3000BC and 2000 BC.

Assuming that Caral was occupied by 3,000 BC, how do we get an estimate of how long it took these people to reach this level of civilization?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:21 pm

Assuming that Caral was occupied by 3,000 BC, how do we get an estimate of how long it took these people to reach this level of civilization?

homo sapiens, sapiens emerged 100,000 years ago
caral emerged 5000 years ago
you subtract one from the other

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:49 pm

But when did they get to Peru?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:54 pm

13-18,000 years ago

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:03 am

That's a long time to sit around playing with themselves.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:13 am

there was another migration of the same mtdna blood group that left the Caspian region around 9000bce.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:19 am

Long way from the Caspian Sea to Peru.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:26 am

yep
how long do you think it took them ?

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:47 am

That sort of depends on a few factors doesn't it?

First of all, were they migrating aimlessly or did someone say "let's go stay with my cousin in Peru?"

Two, one suspects that they would have had to get across the Bering land bridge before the rising sea level flooded it. Unlikely that they took the QE II to get there.

Three: How would they even have known that Peru existed? It is almost virtually the other side of the world.

Four: I'm still not comfortable with the mechanism of migration. To put it bluntly, did they pass through the territory of other clans or did they fight them and displace them? If there was conflict involved my guess is that they would never have made it. With the weapons available even successful engagements would result in casualties to the victors. How many battles can a small group sustain losing a man here and a man there? There is a lot of this that makes no sense and that goes for "Out of Africa" too.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:17 pm

From what I've read, the people at Caral had nieghbors that they traded with and lived peacefully with. They were agricultural and had their fill of seafood.

And the town had something like 3-4 pyramids. So far no evidence trying to build one and failing - or starting over. And yet, they are practically contemporaneous with Giza.

It makes me think that there might be an older city yet somewhere. It does seem to have just sprung up. Do we know how Caral was dated?

I'm getting a little more impressed.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:22 pm

http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issu ... stcity.php

C14.