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marduk wrote:you really think that universities that offer archaeology degrees send out a questionaire to all prospective students that starts with
1) are you willing to cover up the truth from the public when you find it
every university in the world must be doing this for the club to be real
maybe you should try a archaeology degree yourself to test you theory eh
At least I'm not the subject of derision ... yet. 
Comparing DNA from site hair samples will resolve the question of whether Clovis people are related to Solutrean. The technology, while similar, is not identical and there is the problem of a 6,000 year gap between when the Solutreans fizzle out in Europe and the Clovis people show up in North America.I know that some folks are going to be looking at DNA comparisons between hair found in Solutrean sites versus hair found in Clovis age sites to see if there is any link that way as well as looking at the technology in more detail and depth.
The following article compares the similarities between the two technologies. I can spot a Clovis point quickly, but have never held a Solutrean. Pre-Clovis, archaic points are much thicker and far less sophisticated (see article):Do you happen to know of a side-by-side comparison of Clovis and Solutrean points?
The following article compares the similarities between the two technologies. I can spot a Clovis point quickly, but have never held a Solutrean. Pre-Clovis, archaic points are much thicker and far less sophisticated (see article):Do you happen to know of a side-by-side comparison of Clovis and Solutrean points?
As stated earlier, the female mtDNA haplogroup X appears to originate in the Caucasus / Siberia Altai area as opposed to farther west, in Europe or the Mediterranean. It shows up in those two locations later, just like North America (notice, not in South America). Further, the Na-Dene Navajo are a rather late arrival on the North American scene. They made landfall about 6000bp or so on the northwest coast and migrated to the southwest U.S. about 1400 to 1450ad. The article should have stated that mtDNA haplogroup X is prodominantly found in Eurasia, not just "Europe". For percentages see:New genetic evidence from mitochondrial DNA also suggests that some European or Mediterranean people (mtDNA haplogroup X) may have arrived in North America 12,000-36,000 years ago, to add their heritage to the Siberian or Polynesian gene pool. This DNA appears in the Ojibwa, the Nuu'chah'nulth (Nootka), the Sioux, the Yakima, and in some Na-Dene-speaking Navajo, but not in the Siberians.
The most intriguing mystery to solve is how mitochondrial lineage that is predominantly found in Europe somehow got to the Great Lakes region of the Americas 14,000 to 15,000 years ago.
MEXICO CITY - Lost at sea for months, the three fishermen from a hamlet outside San Blas were given up for dead long ago.
After weeks of looking for their son at fishing ports up and down the Pacific Coast of Mexico, the parents of Salvador "Chava" Ordonez resigned themselves to the belief that he, his two companions and their 30-foot fishing boat had been swallowed up by the sea, family members said.
On Tuesday, news of a miracle came from 5,000 miles away. After more than nine months adrift, Ordonez and his companions had been found alive north of Baker Island in the central Pacific, the lonely stretch of ocean where aviator Amelia Earhart disappeared almost 70 years ago.
Of course, Straus is arguing against alleged commonalities and continuities between Solutrean and Clovis technologies, but his position seems to apply to historical and personal dimensions as well. To hear him tell it, Stanford and Bradley are two archaeologists who have stepped out of line by proposing European origins for Clovis.
Typical of The Club!The passionate scientist, confronted by an idea that threatens to overthrow a comfortable theory or, in this case, that attempts to reconstruct a time-honored hypothesis, too often resorts to a myopic and reactionary defense; in this case, a Solutrean connection is called impossible, no ifs, ands, or buts. End of discussion.
My viewpoint on this is that Straus is sticking his neck out on the line. Nobody knows yet whether Solutrean is related to Clovis or not. However, Dennis Stanford or someone else will pursue the genetic analysis of hair from both sites and likely come up with an answer in the near future. Until then, Straus would be better off saying "There's no definitive proof yet and I doubt the connection." However, if genetics says the two cultures are related, Straus' name will be buried and forgotten quickly. Probably a good thing too since he seems to be an anal orifice.Of course, Straus is arguing against alleged commonalities and continuities between Solutrean and Clovis technologies, but his position seems to apply to historical and personal dimensions as well. To hear him tell it, Stanford and Bradley are two archaeologists who have stepped out of line by proposing European origins for Clovis.
anal orifice.
