Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

[Guest]

i would like to read the final report first before listening to Os. that is some letter and put down and to me it demonstrates Os' blindness when it comes to this dig.

only people who agreewith him are accepted or correct. it was a nice slam of Schoch's girlfriend, thoughi did not like her writing style, i think her assessment passed on the reality of what was happening there.

[Beagle]

it was a nice slam of Schoch's girlfriend

Os is only the last one on board to do that. It's really low.

[Guest]

i was being sarcastic

[Beagle]

I know that. I'm talking about Os.

[stan]

Thanks, Irna, for the translation.

[Guest]

I know that. I'm talking about Os.

the problem i had when reading her articles about the bosnian pyramid, was that she talked for about one paragraph concerning their investigation and about 15 paragraphs about her and her illnesses.

it was a very frustrating read and very little that was constructive to the debate.

[FreeThinker]

Hey all, I just found this on the Daily Grail website. It seems like it was posted today by Robert Schoch. It is not his official report but it is clear where he stands on the Bosnian "pyramids". BTW I hope I am not breaking some rule of netiquette by reposting his words here but this is pretty much what we expected to hear from him. The original post can be found at the Daily Grail at this URL:

http://www.dailygrail.com/node/3536

anyway, here is what Schoch has to say:

Excerpts for the Daily Grail

By Robert M. Schoch

“The supposed pyramids formed the stuff of heated debate at other websites (most notably, perhaps, that of the Archaeological Institute of America, chat-rooms, and blogs across the Internet.”

“Were they really man-made pyramids, perhaps dating back thousands of years? (Some advocates placed them as much as 12,000 or 14,000 years in the past.) Now covered with soil, trees, and other vegetation, Bosnian pyramid buffs argued that the “pyramids” needed to be excavated to reveal their glory and prove that Bosnia, of all places, was the virtual origin of, well not just pyramids, but perhaps even civilization.”

“Having more than a casual interest in ancient pyramids (after all, I am the author of two books focusing on pyramids: Voyages of the Pyramid Builders, and Pyramid Quest), I wanted to see first-hand what all the pyramid fuss in Bosnia was about. If there really was a huge pyramid, larger than the Great Pyramid of Egypt, in Bosnia, then I wanted the opportunity to study it. On the other hand, if there were no pyramids in Bosnia, that would be important to know too.”

“Osmanagic and I were apparently seeing different things, perhaps viewing an entirely different world. Where he saw concrete blocks and human intervention, I saw only perfectly natural sandstones and conglomerates that had broken into larger or smaller blocks due both to tectonic stresses and gravity slumping. For a week and a half this seemed to be the dominant theme: Osmanagic and others who worked with and for him insisting that this or that feature can never occur in nature, and thus must be artificial and human-made, versus me finding a perfectly reasonable geological explanation for each of the same features.”

“The geology around Visoko is incredibly rich, and I suggested to Osmanagic that, in lieu of “pyramids,” he might redefine his “Archaeological Park” as a “Geological-Archaeological Park” and focus more on the geology. Visocica Hill (the one dubbed “Pyramid of the Sun”) and Pljesevica Hill (“Pyramid of the Moon”) are composed of layers of sandstone, clay, mudstone, siltstone, and conglomerates apparently deposited in an ancient lake and river system during Miocene times (about 5.3 to 23 million years ago). The rocks have been tilted and bent due to tectonic stresses. The tectonic forces plastically deformed the clays and mudstones, but the sandstones and conglomerates broke into semi-regularly shaped pieces that Osmanagic and his team have excavated in numerous places, interpreting them as “pavements,” “terraces,” “concrete blocks,” “foundation stones,” and so forth. Interestingly, and tellingly, the sizes of the sandstone and conglomerate blocks found are a function of the thickness of the original rock layers. Thin sandstone layers, stressed tectonically, broke into small blocks while thick and durable conglomerate layers broke into massive blocks. This is exactly the pattern expected among natural rock formations. The sandstones also typically preserve various sedimentary and depositional features, such as ripple marks and the traces of ancient burrowing animals. These same rocks are also rich in paleontology. In some of the sandstone layers, and in many of the mudstone layers, I found large accumulations of fossil leaf debris and even some fairly complete Miocene fossil leaves. I believe that the real treasure of Visoko may be a huge fossil biota just waiting to be uncovered, not some imaginary pyramids.”

“I continued to hope against hope that I could find some “truth” underlying the “pyramid mania” that has gripped the region. One last possibility might be the evidence of the reputed tunnels found in the area that supposedly connect one pyramid to another. We had the opportunity to explore one tunnel that is currently open; to put it mildly, I was disappointed with what I saw.”

“The much-touted “ancient inscriptions” seem not to be ancient at all. I was told by a reliable source that the inscriptions were not there when members of the “pyramid team” initially entered the tunnels less than two years ago. The “ancient inscriptions” had been added since, perhaps non-maliciously, or perhaps as a downright hoax.”

“So, no pyramids, but there are many fascinating and genuine archaeological wonders in Bosnia. On the summit of Visocica Hill, which overlooks Visoko, are the remains of a medieval fort built on top of Roman ruins, and there is also evidence of Neolithic occupation of the hill, dating back perhaps 5,000 years.”

“Despite my failure to validate the Bosnian pyramid dreams, Bosnia is a beautiful country with amazing scenery and a rich history. The people are extremely friendly and hospitable, and Bosnia exhibits a wonderful mixture of Western (Austro-Hungarian) and Eastern (Turkish and Islamic) traditions. Even in the absence of pyramids, it is certainly a country worth visiting.”

Robert Schoch

I think it is all but over for the Bosnian "pyramids" now. I must say, however, that the debate was fun...

[Guest]

the question to answer now is:

what will they do with the sites now that they are dug up and mutilated?

[Ftabash]

the question to answer now is:

what will they do with the sites now that they are dug up and mutilated?

We'll carry on digging

[Minimalist]

That's the spirit!

[ReneDescartes]

Actually a texan contractor is allready at work onh a five year project :building pyramids were none have been erected before .The touristical spinoff will be a blessing so to speak to the local economy .Not only pyamids will florish ,also obelisks will germinate ,the first seeds have already been planted in the fertile soil that covers the hills .I have seen the first pictures of them .

[Ftabash]

Hi.
I should really introduce myself, I am writing from Sarajevo, and have become interested in archeology since we started buliding pyramids.
Anyway, I 've been following this thread for a while now, (as well as others, special praise goes to FOTG thread) and after all of the fuss about "pyramids", which will carry on to flare people's imagination anyway,
I would like to point out that I still didn't get the answer about those stone balls or spheres or whatever you call them, that were found in Bosnia and that are identical to those found in Central America. Its something that really intrigues me 'cos I ve got one of them right here in front of me.
It was dug up by my grandfather about 70 years ago, together with 20 other balls, whille digging the well near Sarajevo. Its a perfect sphere about a metar high and, sorry can't remember the word in English for the other dimension, but its about one metar as well.
It's been in my house for a generation and I know few other people that treasure the same things.
What are they? We don't know but we keep them.
Any archeological value there? I don't know, but they look man made and have been found together. And, no, they are not cannonballs.
One more thing, if I can, I wouldn't like anyone to think that I work for Semir or doing this for some sort Bosnian patriotism but this should be pointed out also:
That Dr. Schoch have confirmed natural formation of Visocica hill is also credit to the Osmanagic's fondation who payed for THEIR visit to Visoko,
expecting scientific inquiry ( which it got from Dr. Scoch) but not this egotrip of his bodyguard.
Hope you don't mind if I join you on other threads.

[Minimalist]

Hope you don't mind if I join you on other threads.

By all means.

[stan]

Hi, Ftabash.
Please contribute to our discussion. We need more posters and more points of view.
The Visoco story has been fascinating, though we were very skeptical about it.
It has been like a watching a great epic unfold before our eyes. I know it's not really over....so keep us posted!

Stan

[Starflower]

Hope you don't mind if I join you on other threads.

Please join in, there has been a lack of sensible postings lately. I had never heard of the spheres before, any pictures you could post? Welcome aboard