Giza

[Starflower]

levers. He's the guy who was building the replica of stonehenge by himself in his back yard.


He also had some interesting ideas.

http://www.cornwallhumanists.org.uk/myhumww.htm

I kind of like the old fart.

[marduk]

Next they cite Herodotus and then say he was basically told a bunch of tall tales by Egyptian tour guides so they end up disparaging their source.

he was frequently wrong

[Beagle]

just watched an allegedly new episode of Lost Treasures of the Ancient World about the pyramids

Is this the new series on the History channel? I want to be sure to not watch it.

[Minimalist]

just watched an allegedly new episode of Lost Treasures of the Ancient World about the pyramids

Is this the new series on the History channel? I want to be sure to not watch it.

To be fair, this was the worst of the lot. The one they did on Ramses II was pretty good, if only for the computer generated recreations of what the temples and statues looked like when they were garishly painted.

Must have been a riot of color.

[Beagle]

http://www.archaeology.org/0009/abstracts/crypt.html

When the discovery of the so-called Osiris Tomb on the Giza Plateau was announced this past spring, it caused a stir in the international media. Reports proclaimed that the grave of Egypt's master of the underworld and god of fertility had finally been found. Moreover, it matched a description of it in the writings of the fifth-century B.C. Greek historian Herodotus.

Located among a number of deep shaft graves belonging to Egyptian nobility of the New Kingdom and Late Dynastic Period, the so-called Osiris Tomb is 100 yards or so down the causeway that connects Khafre's Mortuary Temple at the base of the pyramid with the Sphinx and his Valley Temple. A visit by ARCHAEOLOGY to the the tomb, a damp grotto nearly 100 feet below the Giza Plateau, calls into question both its interpretation and its history of exploration

Old news but not examined here. Zahi had a bit of a scandal over this.

[Minimalist]

Why?

He over-hypes everything. It's his job as Director of Tourism.

[Harte]

Typical orthodox horseshit.

Could it be built by dragging stones up a ramp? Yes.

Could it be built by dragging stones up a ramp in the 17 to 23 year span that orthodox egyptology claims? No.


None of the theories yet presented solve the time problem.

Maybe none of the theories you were willing to look at did. But the Los Angeles engineering firm of Daniel, Mann, Johnson & Mendenhall, oddly enough, had no trouble at all with any time constraint, their estimates of time and manpower having come in under the estimates previously made by archaeologists. From a distillation of their report:

Once courses 1 through 50 were completed the labor requirements dropped off considerably; additionally, the skilled labor requirements are consistent with a workers' village of 4,000 to 5,000 persons on-site. The total labor expended is 36.7 million days, or approximately 131,200 man-years. Thus the average labor force over the 10-year duration of the project is therefore 13,200 men.

Source: Civil Engineering Magazine.

Civil Engineering Magazine is the trade publication of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE).

The above article, from 1999, gives us the gist of the report generated by that engineering firm, which report I have yet to locate on the internet (maybe it's not available on the web, I don't know.)

Harte

[Minimalist]

I'll take a look at it but, I have to tell you,

Working closely with leading Egyptologists in both Egypt and the United States—most notably, Mark Lehner, an Egyptologist

I'm generally not impressed with Lehner.

[Harte]

I'll take a look at it but, I have to tell you,

Working closely with leading Egyptologists in both Egypt and the United States—most notably, Mark Lehner, an Egyptologist

I'm generally not impressed with Lehner.

I understand and empathize. But on the other hand, if an engineering firm is to assess the feasibility of pyramid construction methods as deduced by the Egyptologists, then they obviously have to start by finding out what the Egyptologists' theories on pyramid construction are, don't they?

I mean, to many people, if this firm had come back with an answer like "It's just not feasible," wouldn't that mean the Egyptologists were wrong? And what would it mean if Egyptologists had not been consulted?

Harte

[Beagle]

Given the discussion on the Schoch thread, the fact that the Causeway possibly predates the 4th dynasty is getting me to do some serious speculating.

[marduk]

is getting me to do some serious speculating

you already do that all the time

[Beagle]

The Gatenbrink door did not attract any interest, and it looks like the Tomb of Osiris isn't either. But we do know that the Giza plateau has a lot of tunnels running underneath it.

Now Colin Reader has stated his belief that the Khafre Causeway also pre-dates the 4th dynasty and that it is probably contemporaneous with the Sphinx.

The entrance to the Osiris tomb is located on the causeway.

The tomb is 100 ft. down in the bedrock. (twilight zone music)

I may change my moniker to Rod Serling.

[Beagle]

http://www.historychannel.com/global/li ... twCode=THC

The History channel is featuring "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" tomorrow (Tues) evening. Check your local listings.

One can only hope they do a good job.

[Minimalist]

One can only hope they do a better job than "The Exodus Decoded."

[Beagle]

So do I. When I was a young fellow, I read the Book of the Dead, also the Tibetan B.O.D. I'll be damned if I got much out of either one. And that was back when I knew everything , so I'm sure to be lost now.