Noah's Flood...

[Frank Harrist]

GV, having a degree doesn't necessarily make you smart. Just look at dubbya. He went to Yale and he's the biggest idiot on the planet. Arch has a couple degrees, but he's still deluded. I don't have google on this computer and I can't DL it. My home computer isn't compatible so google is out. A link would be nice. A list of religious zealots is no help.

[Guest]

That . . . uh . . . volume of water?

You know . . . 1,436,764,500,000,000,000,000 Liters?

--J.D.

[Minimalist]

GV, you've already been pidgeon-holed as "just another Jesus Freak." I'm busy enough with the orignal...I don't need carbon copies.

[Guest]

GV, having a degree doesn't necessarily make you smart. Just look at dubbya. He went to Yale and he's the biggest idiot on the planet.

You have never had a conversation with John Kerry or the president of Iran, conceivably.

"Sauce for the goose."

--J.D.

[Guest]

Frank, since when is a young earth creationist's Ph.D from Harvard different from someone elses?

[DougWeller]

To those of you who don't know him, perhaps I should introduce 'Genesis Veracity'. I doubt that Arch wants him for an ally. javascript:emoticon(':)')
Smile

Aka as James I Nienhuis, he has recently published a book called Ice Age Civilizations.

Don't jump to conclusions though. As he is YEC, his ice age ends about 1500bce.

Any evidence to the contrary is of course wrong. As with the ICR, AIG, etc.

[Guest]

Frank, since when is a young earth creationist's Ph.D from Harvard different from someone elses?

Degrees are irrelevant to whether or not one does good research.

Consider Duesberg.

Oh and a . . . about that 1,436,764,500,000,000,000,000 Liters?

--J.D.

[Guest]

Doctor X, the Deluge water slid off the then thickening contintents into the then deepening ocean basins (new basalt floor cooling to sink into the mantle), so all the water is right in front of your nose, if you're at the seaside.

[ed]

The ancients of Egypt, Canaan, and Atlantis, were measuring and mapping the globe during the Ice Age

ATLANTIS??????????????????????????????????

[Guest]

I thought you had to do "good research" in order to get a Ph. D from Harvard or the like? So Doctor X, do you or I get to decide who of the Harvard Ph.D's is doing "good research?" (Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that you'll say you?)

[ed]

Doctor X, the Deluge water slid off the then thickening contintents into the then deepening ocean basins (new basalt floor cooling to sink into the mantle), so all the water is right in front of your nose, if you're at the seaside.

And all of this energy went where again? How much energy would be expended by moving the ocean beads downward by say 10 km.? Where did it go? What impact did it have on the environment?

[Guest]

Doctor X, the Deluge water slid off the then thickening contintents. . . .

Have you read either version of the Flood Myth? That volume of water has to accumulate in the time requirements of both myths. Also, given the orders of magnitude greater volume than that of the oceans, there is nothing to "slide to," so to write.

I gather you have not actully looked at the math, yes?

Very well . . . noblesse oblige . . . for those of you who read it, think of . . . Nicole Kidman:



Out of the interest of completeness [He has no life.--Ed.] I decided to perform the calculations I suggested HungryforFaith try.

The radius of the Earth [r[sub]E[/sub]--Ed.] varies so I will use the average of 6,372.795477598 km = 6,372,795.478 meters ~ 3,959.87 miles.

As noted previously, the waters have to cover the mountains to satisfy both extant biblical Flood Myths. If I wished to be "strict" I would use Mt. Everest, but I will be "nice" and use the highest mountain in Palestine, Mt. Hermon, which is 9,232 ft or ~2,814 meters high.

To calculate the volume of the Flood [V[sub]F[/sub]--Ed.], one needs to subtract the volume of the Earth [V[sub]E[/sub]--Ed.] from the volume of the Flood and Earth [V[sub]F+E[/sub]--Ed.]

Recalling grade school geometry:

• Volume of Sphere = 4/3πr[sup]3[/sup]

to get V[sub]F+E[/sub], we need the radius of the Flood [r[sub]F[/sub]--Ed.] which is the height of Mt. Hermon added to r[sub]E[/sub]:

• r[sub]F[/sub] = r[sub]E[/sub] + Mt Hermon = 6,375,609.478 meters which I will round-up to 6,375,610 meters to cover the mountains.

Thus:

• r[sub]E[/sub] = 6,372,795.478 meters
  r[sub]F[/sub] = 6,375,610 meters
  
  V[sub]E[/sub] = 1.084122985 X 10[sup]21[/sup] m[sup]3[/sup]
  V[sub]F+E[/sub] = 1.085559749 X 10[sup]21[/sup] m[sup]3[/sup]
  
  V[sub]F[/sub] = 1.4367645 X 10[sup]18[/sup] m[sup]3[/sup] of water
  
  which is 1.4367645 X 10[sup]21[/sup] liter

Now we need the surface area of Earth [SA[sub]E[/sub]--Ed.] Since:

• Surface Area of Sphere = 4πr[sup]2[/sup]

SA[sub]E[/sub] = 5.103520056 X 10[sup]14[/sup] m[sup]2[/sup] of Earth.

Thus, 2,815.242194 m[sup]3[/sup] of water per m[sup]2[/sup] of Earth ~ 743,707.73 US liquid gallons water per m[sup]2[/sup] of Earth.

Yes . . . I could simplify this damn thing, but I do not wish to lose Creationists.

Now, nearly 750,000 gallons hitting each square meter sounds like a lot. How long does it take accumulate? Well, what do the myths say?

• J: Gen 7:4
  
  Because in seven more days I will rain on the Earth, forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe out all the substance that I have made on the face of the Earth.
  
  P:Gen 7:12
  
  And there was rain on the Earth, forty days and forty nights.

Since, 40 days = 40(24 hrs)(60 min/hr)(60 s/min) = 3456000 s we have 0.00081495 m[sup]3[/sup] of water per m[sup]2[/sup] of Earth per second = 0.8 Liters/m[sup]2[/sup]E-s = 0.215 193 36 gallons/m[sup]2[/sup]E-s.

Now, what is the pressure exerted by this rainfall? Since 1L = 0.998 kg, the mass of the water per m[sup]2[/sup]E-s is:

• 0.7984 kg/m[sup]2[/sup]E-s = 1.76 lbs/m[sup]2[/sup]E-s

PSI is pounds per square inch, 1 m[sup]2[/sup] = 1,550.003100006 inch[sup]2[/sup], we have 2,728 psi applied every second of this period to the surface area of the Earth. "Googling" home water pressures, you find pipe rated for under 300 psi. A "booster" fire hose gives you only 800 psi.

What type of pressure is that? Since 14.6960 psi corresponds to one atmosphere we are talking about 189 atm applied to the Earth during the 40 day/night period!

That is 189 atm applied to mountains, the ark, et cetera!

Interestingly, 4,600 psf, or 4,600 pounds per square foot, is the pressure created by Hiroshima atomic bomb at the epicenter. Since there are 144 square inches per square foot, that comes to only about 32 psi, a mere 1/83rd of the pressure of the rain.

Now the Highest Recorded Rainfall in India's--or any city's--history is:

The highest-ever rainfall recorded in a single day in India shut down the financial hub of Mumbai, snapped communication lines, closed airports and forced thousands of people to sleep in their offices or walk home during the night, officials said Wednesday.

Troops were deployed after the sudden rains -- measuring up to 94.4 centimeters (37.1 inches) in one day in some areas of Mumbai -- stranded tens of thousands of people.

India's Highest Recorded Rainfall

94.4 centimeters cubes is a mere 0.0944 liter. A Global Rainfall of that would take 1,521,996,300,000 days or:

41,698,528,558 YEARS to meet the volume required by the flood.

In otherwords the "rain" was 38,049,907,500 times greater than the greatest recorded monsoon!! Any idea how big that is?

That is a rainfall of 35,919,112,500 Liters/Day.

Let us compare:

35,919,112,500 versus 0.0944 Liters.

Quod erat demonstrandum time two.

Now, from the Original Calculations, the Volume of the Earth is a mere:

10,841,229,850 meters cub'd.

We ["We?"--Ed.] also determined the Volume of the Flood:

1,436,764,500,000,000,000 meters cub'd.

Do I need to continue? Even if some of the water came from "below"--in those pesky cisterns no one can find that archaeologist imagined, a COMPLETELY hollow Earth would still give us:

1,425,923,300,000 meters cub'd of water that would have to fail as rain.

Can I make it any clearer than that?!

As far as I know, the world is not hollow!! So any "fountain of the deep" or "cistern" he wishes to imagine will only increase the volume that must have fallen.

"Gee whilikers, Batman, I wonder how much water there is in the oceans?"

"Well Old Chum, sit on my lap, and I will tell you!"

"That better be your Bat-Boomerang I am feeling!"

. . . a total volume of about 1,347,000,000 cu km. . . .

Fact Monster

Wow! This creation of Al Gore is so convenient!!

1,347,000,000 Km cub'd is 1,347,000,000,000,000,000 meters cub'd

Therefore EVEN with a Water Fill'd Hollow Earth and All of the Oceans Converted into Rain we would still have to "find":

78,923,300,000 meters cub'd of water!

Quod erat demonstrandum ad nauseum.

The Earth is a specific size. The mountains are a specific height.

Reality is reality.

--J.D.

[marduk]

ah but you need to take into account that GOD being creator of the universe is quite capable of breaking the laws of physics like he did by resurrecting lifeless matter with his son.
so the fact that it doesn't add up is actually just more evidence that only he could do that.

[Guest]

Ed, the melting of the subducting (and water lubricated) plates occurred tweny or thirty kilometers down, to rise as volcanos, so most of the heating action was deep below, relatively insignificant compared to the heat in the mantle.

[Guest]

Indeed, that is the final apology.

Does not help the child with the tumor.

However, then the apologists have to admit the texts are inaccurate, which, of course, they cannot do.

--J.D.