the exodus revisitied

[Minimalist]

i can do no less than the roman centurian i mentioned before

Still the reigning champion of silly posts you have made.

[Guest]

They might pay attention to a rebuttal from their fellow archaeologists

sort of 'the club' mentality.

The Jews have an entirely different date for the Exodus than any of ya'lls or yourns

yes they do but there is a 480 year time period that must be accounted for.
there is only approx. 200 years there.

The dating of the pottery is the most compelling evidence to me. But, I would like to see some more research done

i would like to explore petrie's dating a little more and how he came to the conclusions he did. what factors he used, what data was available and so on.

It is going to take more than the wishful thinking of a bible-thumper to overturn this verdict

we are not wishful thinking and i am investigating. we all know how egyptians treated their history so i wouldn't accept that map as total fact tilli saw some real evidence.

minimalist, you can bow out anytime, you don't have to be here if you don't accept the direction of the thread. i am certainly not twisting your arm to post. i am looking for links, sources and quotes that investigate not deny.

[Minimalist]

Horseshit. Someone has to keep giving you a reality check. Next thing we all know you'll fly off into space and it won't even be rapture-time!

BTW, it's more than just Egypt. Egypt, Minoa, the Hittite Empire and Assyria were the dominant powers at that time. They all managed to interact with each other but none seems to have ever heard of any Israelites supposedly dwelling in their midst.

How is that possible?

I can only think of one way.

[Minimalist]

links, sources and quotes that investigate not deny.

Again, horseshit. You want vindication for your fairy tales, nothing more.

[Guest]

Min, the ancient fort at Beersheva was known by the ancient Egyptians as the Fort of Abram, yet the Israelis from centuries later didn't even know whose old fort it was, hello?

And who in the world do you think occupied the Holy Land from 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D., the Canaanites? Ahahahahahaha.

[Minimalist]

Why don't you provide evidence for your assertions, GV. Your credibility level is even lower than Arch's.

[Guest]

it's more than just Egypt. Egypt, Minoa, the Hittite Empire and Assyria were the dominant powers at that time.

and america and russia write about or talk about the falklands all the time. your argument doesn't hold up plus we do not have all their records so why would anyone assume that israel was not mentioned or known about?

in egypt, i doubt if they were known as the country of israel. so why would they be mentioned in documents? even before saul, when they were not a military threat to anyone why would they be mentioned at all?

mongola is no threat to america so they do not get mentioned very often, so they do not exiist? {according to your thinking}

How is that possible

quite possible. if a country is not recognized as such, they get no mention. it is done all the time, when one gov. is not recognized by another. they feel it is not a legitimate concern thus warrants no recording. common sense should tell you that.

this has been a problem for a couple centuries now. one standard has been applied to the secular world and a more unrealistic standard has been applied to Israel and the biblical world. it is a double standard that impedes could archaeology and fact finding.

it also helps hide the truth as unrealistic criterias are imposed upon the search and discovered evidence of the biblical world.

anyways, i am considering montgomery's thinking and will continue to investigate it till i am satisfied.

[Guest]

Hey min, what people-group do you say was living in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. 'til 70 A.D.? (This oughta be good.)

[Minimalist]

it's more than just Egypt. Egypt, Minoa, the Hittite Empire and Assyria were the dominant powers at that time.

and america and russia write about or talk about the falklands all the time. your argument doesn't hold up plus we do not have all their records so why would anyone assume that israel was not mentioned or known about?

Once again, you are trying to use the fact that they were not mentioned AT ALL as evidence that they were there. Takes a really twisted mind to come up with a theory like that. I repeat, you are desperate.

in egypt, i doubt if they were known as the country of israel. so why would they be mentioned in documents? even before saul, when they were not a military threat to anyone why would they be mentioned at all?

When Egypt maintined military control of Canaan they seemed to have an abiding interest in what was going on. No Israelites, though. Lots of other groups mentioned but no Israelites. Look at the map. Not much room for any other groups in the time in question.

mongola is no threat to america so they do not get mentioned very often, so they do not exiist? {according to your thinking}

I just did a search on Google and got 91,000,000 hits for Mongolia. Someone is interested!

How is that possible

quite possible. if a country is not recognized as such, they get no mention. it is done all the time, when one gov. is not recognized by another. they feel it is not a legitimate concern thus warrants no recording. common sense should tell you that.

So, the Palestinians get "no mention?" Or the Tamil rebels? Do you just make stuff up and post it if it suits your ideological agenda?

this has been a problem for a couple centuries now. one standard has been applied to the secular world and a more unrealistic standard has been applied to Israel and the biblical world. it is a double standard that impedes could archaeology and fact finding.

Wrong. The opposite occurs. Your fairy tales are given far too much credence with no evidence to sustain them. The whole world would be better off if the damn thing were thrown on the scrap heap so we could get on with life.

it also helps hide the truth as unrealistic criterias are imposed upon the search and discovered evidence of the biblical world.

You talk about "evidence" but all you ever come back with is some reference to the bible....that does not cut it.

anyways, i am considering montgomery's thinking and will continue to investigate it till i am satisfied.

Fortunately, the scientific world seems far less easily impressed than you and the rest of the bible-thumping crowd. It takes more than someone shouting Hosannah to make an impression!

[Minimalist]

Hey min, what people-group do you say was living in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. 'til 70 A.D.? (This oughta be good.)

A very complicated question, and I know your type hates ""complicated."

BTW, still waiting for your evidence about Beer Sheba.

[Guest]

Once again, you are trying to use the fact that they were not mentioned AT ALL as evidence that they were there. Takes a really twisted mind to come up with a theory like that. I repeat, you are desperate.

minmalist uses this argument quite often and also believes that if they are not mentioned then they didn't exist, well this is a very weak argument and k.a. kitchen addresses this quite well in his book 'The Bible in its World' pg.48:

"Time and again in Old Testament studies, we are told that 'history knows of no such person' as, say, Abraham or Moses, or...'of o such events' as the battles of Genesis 14, for example. However such phrases are totally misleading. Theysimply cover the ignorance not of 'history' personifid but of the person making this claim. Until 1975, Ebla was nothing more than a shadowy name: a once prominent north-Syrian city alongside many more, such as Aleppo, Carchemish, Emar and the rest. If anyone before 1975 had stood up and dared proclaim that Ebla had been the centre of a vast economic empire, rival to that of Akkad, under a dynasty of 6 kings, he or she would have been dismissed with derision. History 'knew' of nu such sweeping dominion, no such line of kings, no such pre-eminence. But since 1975, of course, the archives exhumed changed all that.

Therefore, one lesson that Ebla re-inforces is that it is always extremely foolish to argue from a negative, especially in view of our still very uneven and incomplete knowledge of the total history of the ancient Near East... Therefore it is entirely pre-mature to dismiss on purely negative grounds the possible existence of biblical characters such as Abraham, or Joseph, Moses or Solomon, for example."

[Minimalist]

Not applicable to your precious goatherders, arch. Archaeology has shown where and when they arose.....in Eastern Canaan at the end of the Late Bronze Age.

Oh, that's right. You don't read books which contradict biblical fairy tales.


Your loss.

[Guest]

Hey min, how can it be that mentioned in the Ebla Tablets from ancient Aleppo are the names: Hazor, Gaza, Lachish, Megiddo, Akko, Sinai, Urusalima (Jerusalem), Abramu (Abram), Esaum (Esau), Ishmaeliu (Ishmael), Sodom, Gomorrah, Zeboim, Admah, and Zoar?

How do you explain this, min?

[Guest]

Not applicable to your precious goatherders, arch

you're a joke minimalist. anything you say now means nothing as you hide behind declatory statements and unprovable comments becuase you live in a world of denial.

you have no credibility with me anymore as you have proven that you cannot discuss nor provide links or sources to support your position.

by the way, kitchen addresses your argument and i was going to post it but after that remark i will save myself the energy.

[Minimalist]

Again, Arch....you never venture far from your bible thumper cult of writers.

Let me know when you are willing to join the 21st century.

GV. You want answers, you know what you have to do.