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[Guest]

By the way min, the Fort of Abram is listed with other Negev city-states on a wall in the Temple of Amun at Karnak, Beersheba not among them, because the Egyptians called that city-state the Fort of Abram.

Ok min, so who lived in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D., I know you're a man of your word.

[Guest]

Oh yes, min, and the other question you said you'd answer now, who had it right, Egypt back to 10000 B.C., as the Egyptian priest Solon supposedly said, or back to about 3000 B.C., as Manetho's kings list indicates? I know you're a man of your word, so I very much look forward to your promised answers to the two questions.

[Minimalist]

By the way min, the Fort of Abram is listed with other Negev city-states on a wall in the Temple of Amun at Karnak, Beersheba not among them, because the Egyptians called that city-state the Fort of Abram.

Ok min, so who lived in the Holy Land from circa 1400 B.C. to 70 A.D., I know you're a man of your word.

Beer Sheba's earliest remains date from the 12th century and were merely a few houses...no fortifications.

Still, since you are attempting to say something (who knows what!) about Egyptians consider this (laughing.)

http://www.jewishhistory.com/jh.php?id= ... y_campaign

The relief includes rows of heads with hieroglyph-fitted ovals for bodies which name many places in Judah and Israel. A drawing (above) and a photo (below) show details of Shoshenq's relief. The four ovals in the photo detail appear just below and to the left of Shoshenq's right foot (see tinted area in drawing). These four ovals contain the names of three places in the Negev: The one on the right reads 'irhrr, which may be Jehallel, mentioned in 1 Chronicles 4:16 ; the two in the middle read p._qr 'ibrm "Fort of Abram" (?); and the one at left reads _brt , "Shibboleth," which means stream. No narrative, however, accompanies this hieroglyphic list.

Finkelstein has a detailed discussion of Sheshonq's campaign, which, in spite of bible bullshit, omits any reference to an attack on Jerusalem. Sheshonq does, however, detail his attack on the areas which coalesced into the northern kingdom. Judahite pride (and priestly admonitions) aside it seems that Sheshonq was not about to waste his time attacking an insignificant shithole such as Jerusalem was in the late 10th century.


The irony of the quotation above is that it is by Arch's good friend, Kitchen, who can't quite seem to grasp the reason for Sheshonq's failure to mention Jerusalem or other sites that were hammered by the raiding pharoah. They weren't there at the time.

[Guest]

The ruins of the Fort of Abram are at Beersheva, it was a citadel/city from circa 2000 B.C. to past the time of David, so min, who's really peddling horse biproducts here? You d'man.

[Guest]

Hey min, do you trust the ancient Egyptian priest Manetho, with his chronology, or the ancient Egyptian priest Solon, with his chronology?

(Just say one, or two, or paw the ground once, or twice.)

[Minimalist]

From 1400 to 70 AD the general area of Palestine was occupied by Canaanites, Philistines, Hittites, Phoenecians, Arameans, Egyptian troops but not settlers apparently, Israelites, Judahites (always separate...no United Monarchy, that's an invention of the bible novelists) Assyrians, whoever the hell the Assyrians moved in to take the place of the deported Israelites, Babylonians, Persians, (who allowed a return of exiled Jews from Babylon from whence they brought their brand new bible with them) Greeks, Greeks, and more Greeks, and finally Romans. There are probably a few smaller groups mixed in along the way.

[Minimalist]

The ruins of the Fort of Abram are at Beersheva, it was a citadel/city from circa 2000 B.C. to past the time of David, so min, who's really peddling horse biproducts here? You d'man.

Once again, I suspect that you do not know WTF you are talking about.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... sheva.html

The earliest remains of settlement at Beersheba are a number of rock-hewn dwellings (12th-11th centuries BCE) and a 20 m.-deep well supplying fresh water to the inhabitants of the first permanent unfortified settlement of Israelites of the Tribe of Simon. (Joshua 19:2)

By the end of the 11th century BCE, a fortified settlement was established at Beersheba with the houses built close to one another on the hill's summit, forming an outer, circular defensive wall with only a narrow opening for a gate. The houses opened inwards, towards a central square, where livestock was kept.

The "tribal associations" doubtless derive from later biblical fiction, but the ruins have been dug up.

[Guest]

The Bible is accurate about the rest, so why would you doubt what it says about the united monarchy, min?

[Minimalist]

You are no better than Arch.

The bible's accuracy is non-existent until late into the historical period.

[Guest]

Hey, min, does Joshua 19:2 really say that? And min, it's good to know that it's now ok for people to cite the Bible for accurate history, you're coming around finally.

Carbon 14 dating the walls perhaps?

[Guest]

"The historical period?" What do you, min, consider to be "the historical period?"

[Minimalist]

Hey, min, does Joshua 19:2 really say that? And min, it's good to know that it's now ok for people to cite the Bible for accurate history, you're coming around finally.

Carbon 14 dating the walls perhaps?

Why don't you read it?

BTW, Joshua was a later figment of someone's dreams of glory. It's a good thing, too. He would have been Yahweh's stormtrooper had he actually lived and done anything as recorded in your blood-soaked bible.

[Guest]

Then, min, why did you cite that Bible passage as a reference of history? (This oughta be good.)

[oldarchystudent]

This isn't archaeology, it's theology. Isn't there a board someplace far away from here to discuss that kind of stuff?

[Minimalist]

Then, min, why did you cite that Bible passage as a reference of history? (This oughta be good.)

I cited the JewishVirtualLibrary's published reports on the archaeology of Beer Sheba...which post-dates the Egyptian occupation of Canaan. If you want to know why they put that pointless reference in there I suggest you e-mail them and ask.