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Derveni Papyrus

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http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/ ... ?aid=75684
Scholars turned out in force on Thursday night for the launch of the first full edition of the Derveni Papyrus at the Archaeological Museum of Thessaloniki.The oldest book in Europe, the Derveni Papyrus is an Orphic, eschatological text that discusses the fate of the soul and the role of the Furies. A mystic, often allegorical text, it was written in the last quarter of the fourth century BC. Scholars who have studied it describe it as «the most significant new evidence about ancient Greek philosophy and religion since the Renaissance.»
Which is about the nicest thing that gets said in the article. Then you go on to the brangling, first those who didn't get to study the papyrus:
The book was found in 1962 in a grave at Derveni, in Thessaloniki. Some scholars object to the fact that the book has not been made accessible to other researchers. The Institute of Philosophical Research, directed by Apostolos Pierris, decried what it called «a major scandal in scientific chronicles.» It also accuses the team of scholars, professors Kyriakos Tsantsanoglou, Theokritos Kouremenos and Georgios Prasaoglou of Thessaloniki University, of hiding the papyrus for decades, delaying its scholarly and critical publication and thereby depriving «the international community of scholars of any access to such a significant text.»

Why was there no scholarly Greek publication for 26 years, despite the fact that, by 1982, the researchers had read 80 percent of the text?
and then the lucky few:
«Because we had to complete it, which included interpreting all of the legible surviving text on 26 scrolls,» Tsantsanoglou told Kathimerini. «It was a difficult task, since we had to assemble that gigantic puzzle which would lead to its integrated form. The first, unauthorized publication in 1982, in a foreign scholarly journal, set us back, as it formed the basis of numerous studies on the Derveni Papyrus.»
and then 'Daddy took the T-bird away'
As time passed, the papyrus became common property:
It appears things calmed down for a while and then:
At a press conference in the presence of Deputy Economy and Finance Minister Petros Doukas, Pierris and lecturer Dirk Obbink of Oxford announced that they had begun taking photographs for the philosophical analysis of the text, describing those who had studied it so far as «not equal to the stature of the find.»
So after only 44 years of study the OFFICIAL Greek study was hurriedly released. :wink:
Meanwhile, the researchers at Thessaloniki University completed the first full edition of the papyrus.
Seriously though, I am looking forward to reading the first full edition, anyone out there rate a copy they want to share? I find ancient Greek philosophy and religion to be a fascinating subject.
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I find ancient Greek philosophy and religion to be a fascinating subject.
Especially since thanks to Alex the Great it spread Eastward and interacted with Persian.
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If you are interested in ancient Greek religion you should keep an eye on http://www.ekathimerini.com/

It is the online English language Greek newspaper. You will find a lot of stuff that doesn't make it into regular English lanuage papers.

I also enjoy daydreaming about a long sabbatical in the Eastern Mediterranean.

It is very interesting to read about religious thought prior to Jesus Christ. So much of western religious thought has been so influenced by Christianity ever since, it is interesting to read what people thought before he was ever born.
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It is very interesting to read about religious thought prior to Jesus Christ. So much of western religious thought has been so influenced by Christianity ever since, it is interesting to read what people thought before he was ever born.
theres Irony for ya
imo Christ was more influenced by the greeks than anything else
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Christ
some people think he was from Nazareth but hes probably actually from Thessaloniki
:lol:
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