Texas A&M's Dating of Artifacts Discovered at Hueyataco,

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:23 am

Sure enough, Mike Waters, from Texas A&M, tries to cast doubt on Cynthia Irwin-Williams work.

It's what they do, Charlie.......<sigh>.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:53 pm

Realistically, there is no way that these new studies will just get published, meet with polite applause, and the textbooks get rewritten. Not without some sort of challenge. It's good news I think that a team is going down to Mexico to re-examine the area at the first opportunity.

This is going to take a while.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:57 pm

Of course not....the status quo always clings to power!

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:10 pm

Of course not....the status quo always clings to power!

Of course - it comes close to being a Newtonian law. But this seems to me to be going well so far. Of course, some folks may just getting organized for a big giant poo-poo on the study.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:20 pm

Sam Salmon wrote:Without directly addressing the notion of 'The Club' an intriguing and sometimes fascinating study of some the struggles around Pre Clovis can be found in the book Bones by Elaine Dewar

http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/displ ... 0679311546

Sounds like "Tales from the Crypt". I've got to check this one out. Thanks Sam.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:22 am

Realistically, there is no way that these new studies will just get published, meet with polite applause, and the textbooks get rewritten. Not without some sort of challenge. It's good news I think that a team is going down to Mexico to re-examine the area at the first opportunity.

This is going to take a while.

I agree. Darn interesting in the meantime...I'll, obviously, be watching this one closely.

Of course - it comes close to being a Newtonian law. But this seems to me to be going well so far. Of course, some folks may just getting organized for a big giant poo-poo on the study.

Wouldn't doubt it a bit, beag. Only thing, though, is Sam's 2 reports passed through all his colleagues in peer review before being accepted into the journals. As specialized as this research is, the only ones qualified to "poo-poo" on his research are the very ones that accepted it...guess we'll stayed tuned.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:29 pm

Well, as stated above, there will probably be some organized opposition in the future. I've noticed on the internet already some negative posting about Sams' finding - these from sophisticated non-experts.

So I still believe his paper will have to be defended against actual expert scrutiny.

At least I haven't seen any personal attacks on him.......so far. We all know how this goes though.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:14 am

Bruce wrote:http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs ... cine_chart

Just got off the mountain with my first bull elk.

Min,

the 300 win mag dropped him at 450 yards.

Charlie,

that's the longest 3 backbacking trips i've ever made!

Marduk,

wish you were there

Beagle,

looks like their starting to work 100,000 of years. these guys fit my 7mil.

OAS,

We need to monitor all the burb's before we start worrying about some guy collecting stuff out in the desert.

Back to fill my cow tag. Check in on the 30th.

Bruce - I'm not a hunter, but congratulations on the Bull Elk. Hurry back, there's exciting stuff going on here also.

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:17 am

Beagle wrote:Well, as stated above, there will probably be some organized opposition in the future. I've noticed on the internet already some negative posting about Sams' finding - these from sophisticated non-experts.

So I still believe his paper will have to be defended against actual expert scrutiny.

At least I haven't seen any personal attacks on him.......so far. We all know how this goes though.

I have heard of two micropaleontologists who have looked at it and say it is 'quite flawed'. I'm sure everyone here knows that peer review doesn't guarantee accuracy.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:25 am

I have heard of two micropaleontologists who have looked at it and say it is 'quite flawed'. I'm sure everyone here knows that peer review doesn't guarantee accuracy.

How do they say the study is flawed? It's good to hear two sides of an issue.

Thanks Doug.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:28 am

To stop the proliferation of threads on similar topics, I'll post this here.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061026/ap_ ... otprints_1

MEXICO CITY - A trail of 13 fossilized footprints running through a valley in a desert in northern Mexico could be among the oldest in the Americas, Mexican archeologists said.

The footprints were made by hunter gatherers who are believed to have lived thousands of years ago in the Coahuila valley of Cuatro Cienegas, 190 miles (306 kms) south of Eagle Pass, Texas, said archaeologist Yuri de la Rosa Gutierrez of Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History.

"We believe (the footprints) are between 10,000 and 15,000 years old," De la Rosa said in a news release Wednesday. "We have evidence of the presence of hunter gatherers in the Coahuila desert more than 10,000 years ago."

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:32 am

VSMs website has expanded a little and is attracting some attention. I took the liberty of telling her that the members of Archaeologica were following the latest developements with keen interest and excitement.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:21 am

I took the liberty of telling her that the members of Archaeologica were following the latest developements with keen interest and excitement.

well that was a blatant lie then wasn't it

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:05 pm

Beagle wrote:VSMs website has expanded a little and is attracting some attention. I took the liberty of telling her that the members of Archaeologica were following the latest developements with keen interest and excitement.

AND - that's a sight better than she got regarding another forum.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:19 pm

you mean the Hall of Matt which publicised her new forum back in may Beagle ?
helps really to check your facts before you start making statements
you realise of course that her webmaster is also a regular contributor at maat right ?