Evolutionary news

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:26 pm

I am no longer confused. At least, no more than usual.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:33 pm

John, why has the Bible been the primary roadmap for archaeological endeavors in the Middle East, could it be because the Bible has never been shown to have any historical inaccuracies?

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:44 pm

I'm callin' it a night. Keep the faith John.

Starflower · Post by **Starflower** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:02 pm

I hope this hasn't been posted and I missed it. I just loved the picture.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 83,00.html

Leona Conner · Post by **Leona Conner** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:42 am

Thanks for the link. If anyone need further proof, I have two silverbacks living down the road. Really! At least . . . . they look . . . . like . . . . silver backs.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:16 am

Leona Conner wrote:Thanks for the link. If anyone need further proof, I have two silverbacks living down the road. Really! At least . . . . they look . . . . like . . . . silver backs.

Maybe they're just creationist Republicans?

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:05 pm

http://geology.com/news/2006/10/cave-di ... kings.html

Ancient animal skeletons were found in the cave including one that resembles a bear influencing the naming of the cave. Cave-adapted invertebrates that may be new or rare species have also been seen. Three of the 27 new species recently discovered in parks’ caves appear to inhabit Ursa Minor. It is clear that several of the larger passages continue and the actual length of the cave remains unknown at this time.

Didn't we have something about a bear skull turning out to be somethingelse?
And what are geologist's doing messing around with acient bones!

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:58 am

I'm glad to see that the public isn't allowed in at this time. It may take years to explore everything in these caverns. Hopefully we'll get regular reports.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:08 am

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_ ... 881639B262

Damascus - Swiss researchers have discovered the 100 000-year-old remains of a previously unknown giant camel species in central Syria

This article is from our news section several days ago - and I finally couldn't resist.

As well as the giant camel story is evidence of early man that has physical attributes of both Neandertal and H. Sapiens. The Levant area was occupied by both humans during this time.

Several years ago it was determined that HNS and HS last had a common ancestor 800,000ya, and then it became 500,000ya., and finally 400,000ya.

I have long felt that eventually it will be shown that here in the Levant will be where the gene exchange occurred, 100,000ya. But still, for now, that's conjecture.

Post by **Minimalist** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:28 am

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 150551.htm

Fossil Is Missing Link In Elephant Lineage
A pig-sized, tusked creature that roamed the earth some 27 million years ago represents a missing link between the oldest known relatives of elephants and the more recent group from which modern elephants descended, an international team that includes University of Michigan paleontologist William J. Sanders has found.

stan · Post by **stan** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:30 am

I don't recall this particular point being raised during the arch-min debates or our general discussion about fossils.
One of the arguments of creationists is that " all the fossils that demonstrate human evolution would not fill up even one coffin."
Today i was musing about climate change between the ice age and
holocene in this area, and the fact that we had mammoths and giant beavers and dire wolves here during the ice ages (as well as a quite different array of plants to correspond to the climate).
I wondered what happened to all the skeletons.
Then it dawned on me that even today, with our millions of squirrels, and deer, thousands of bear, only a tiny portion of their bones will be fossilized: Those which happen to be covered in mud or underwater, or perhaps mummified in caves. The rest are broken up with help from scavengers, rodents, bacteria, and weather, and finally rot away.
(Human corpses may be a different story, since most here are embalmed and buried carefully.. I don't know about that.)
Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what conclusions to draw, but one is
"for any fossil you find that has survived a long time, you may assume that there were many times more that did not survive."
Isn't that a valid general assumption?

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:43 am

stan wrote:I don't recall this particular point being raised during the arch-min debates or our general discussion about fossils.
One of the arguments of creationists is that " all the fossils that demonstrate human evolution would not fill up even one coffin."

Stan, hope you don't mind me chiming in here. I agree with your statements. I could be labelled a christian free-thinker who tends to question everything in order to find the truth. Personally I have not reached any conclusion but I find ID/Creationists and Evolutionists present compelling evidences on both sides. I am not blinded as some have contended.

As to your post, take a walk through any wild area today near your home and very rarely will find the surviving carcass of a large mammal. You may see deer, bears, moose or whatever alive but it is difficult to find bones of recent dead animals, let alone prehistoric ones.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:50 am

I find ID/Creationists and Evolutionists present compelling evidences on both sides

I have bever seen one compelling piece of evidence of creationism
the earth was not built in seven days by someone called God in 4004bce
can you link to this evidence FM

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:00 pm

marduk wrote:
I find ID/Creationists and Evolutionists present compelling evidences on both sides
I have bever seen one compelling piece of evidence of creationism
the earth was not built in seven days by someone called God in 4004bce
can you link to this evidence FM

Your baitin' me dude. Still I guess its appropriate for this forum. First I gotta take care of some family things. Then we can let some fur fly and pick through the bones.

I have already said I take no stand on this issue.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:25 pm

I'm not baiting you though that is the normal claim of a person of faith when put up against it

I'm asking you to back the assertion that Creationism has some compelling evidence

I find ID/Creationists and Evolutionists present compelling evidences on both sides

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the evidence for evolution is overwhelming
as far as creationism goes there is no record of YHWH anywhere previously to around 650bce
thats YWWH the god of thje chosen people of the Bible (i.e. Hebrews) and not Jehova the god of the chosen people of Roman catholicism
so unless you're talking about some form of pagan creationism its hardly even worth considering

no one here has any problem with you being a christian
but try to remember that christianity is about the teachings of Christ
and not the Hebrew slave cosmology contained in the old Pentateuch