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http://www.ancientworlds.net/aw/Article/225212
Israel – Excavations at Kibbutz Kfar HaHoresh, about 2 miles form the center of Nazareth, have unearthed evidence of a burial complex as well as strangely decorated human skulls indicting that a major cult center existed in the area 8000 years before Christ. Although the remains of 65 people have been unearthed, it is expected that hundreds more remain to be found that may have been interred in complex rituals. A partly disarticulated headless man was found on top of a pile of 250 aurochs bones and 4 children were buried with fox mandibles. Some were interred with what appeared to be heirloom flints while 50 others were arranged in the shape of some type of animal. Also discovered were 3 human schools that had been deliberately defleshed after death and overlaid with lime plaster that was then modeled to form facial features. One of the skulls was painted with a red pigment quarried from central Turkey and another with red ocher.

27,000 bp is a long time to 8,000 bc. Could the same tradition have been maintained for that long or is this simply a chance re-discovery?
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Great big wodge of guess work here but red might equate to fire or blood (both of which could be seen as links to the sacred through their respective mysterious (at the time) properties - heat/life etc.). The Mexican obsession with jade (and possibly turquoise in the American South West - Stan? Forester?) stems from a similar idea. Fires may not be blue or green but stare at the sun for any length of time and that's pretty much the afterimage colour that stays in your field of vision. A jade fragment was left in the mouth of corpses, ostensibly as a useful object of afterlife bribery, but perhaps the ritual evolved from whatever instinct led disparate peoples to use red ochre upon their dead.
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Do we see this anywhere else in the world?
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I don't know about putting jade in the mouths of corpses, but it seems that bright shiny things always have seemed valuable or magical to people. Gold, diamonds, other precious or semiprecious stones,
bird feathers, earth colors (ochres, etc.)
I would think that each group gave its own symbolic meaning to these
materials...such as gold being associated with the sun (a deity), and silver with the moon. Turquoise like the sky.
I would also suggest that humans have almost always adorned their bodies with these materials in the form of jewelry, piercings, tatoos, scarification, body painting--- and the earth (ochre and others) colors, blood, soot, and bright berry juices were about the only pigments available in prehistoric times.
Sometimes various groups behave in ways that seem self- destructive due to religious beliefs. One example is that the Apaches would not eat fish because they were associated with the underworld. Likewise cows in India. What I'm getting at is that humans engage in symbolic thinking
and are not always merely practical.
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Borneo. They decorated skulls with the same tattoo pattern the warrior wore in life.


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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/co ... eeth_x.htm
The Neanderthal molars are definitely different than human ones, equipped with a thick crest rarely seen in people. But, "The total crown formation times in both deciduous and permanent molars were nearly identical with those reported for large samples of modern humans," the study found. And while humans finish growing the roots of their teeth around age nine, the Neanderthal infant tooth finished its root's growth around 8.7 years. The adult tooth also shows growth rates similar to modern humans. All this points to "similar timing of tooth initiation relative to birth in Neanderthals and modern humans," the authors conclude.
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Hooray Beagle! So do I! I thought I must be the lone occupant in the nut house. Welcome friend.
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Digit wrote:Hooray Beagle! So do I! I thought I must be the lone occupant in the nut house. Welcome friend.
Oh no no - you've got a lot of company here in this forum Digit. 8)
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Don't ask me to quote a source Beag cos I can't remember! But somewhere I read/heard that man, in one form or another, was in Australia before he was in Europe. Made a wrong turn do you think, or perhaps home was nearer Australia than London?
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Yeah Digit, we had a lot of discussion on that very thing a long time ago.

Homo Sapiens entered Australia as far back as possibly 60,000 yrs. ago. He entered Europe around 40,000 yrs. ago.

Sure wandered a lot, huh? 8)
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But it sure lends substance to the idea that man had more than starting point rather than just Africa doesn't it?
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You'd never convince the mainstreamers of that though. While I disagree with several points in the migration model of the Bradshaw Foundation, it is the accepted one right now. It has been posted several times in the forum, and the nearest one is in Rock Art posted by both Stan and Barracuda.

One of the first ventures out of Africa was into the Levant area. The mainstreamers have that branch of HS dying out about 95,000yrs. ago.
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Charlie has neandertal in texas at 150,000bp. What do you think digit, did they evolve in texas or africa?
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I've never heard Charlie say they were Neanderthals.

An unidentified group of Texas Homos, perhaps...but never Neanderthals!
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I think Charlie has evidence of humans in Texas at that time. Sometimes though when we talk about the relationship between Clovis points and Solutrean points we are thinking that Solutreans may have HNS genes, but there is no proof of that yet.

Solutrean = one locale of Cro-Magnon.

Mousterian = Neandertal

I think Charlie needs to weigh in here, I don't want to misquote him.

BUT - anything as old as 250,000 yrs. is not Homo Sapien. :shock:
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