DROWNED COASTLINES

[Mike Jupp]

Following our discussion on Ice Age Coastlines...and their possible locations!......
I've at last found a GIS image of the English Channel. It clearly shows the evolution of several gradually expanding river systems.
http://apollo5.bournemouth.ac.uk/ehec/
But then I fiddled with the contrast and brightness and zoomed into the image. I was amazed to see not only the present, familiar Sussex coastline, but previous coastlines which I've only seen on conjectural maps!

Fascinating!!!

Below-'Raw Image


Below- fiddled with image!

[Digit]

There are two types of people as regards ghosts etc Mike, those who believe in them, and those that don't. Generally those two catogories then sub-divide into those who have experienced them, and those that haven't.
Those that have further sub-divide, those who accept the phenomena at face value, and those who insist that 'there must be a logical explanation', and then fail to present one.
The one explanation that I absolutely love goes as follows, 'ghosts only exist in the presence of people'. How the Hell do they know?

[Mike Jupp]

Er?..Is that to do with my novel?.. The above photographic evidence of the inundated Channel, or both?

As a confirmed Solipsist I don't actually BELIEVE anything!
However, I'll accept logical facts when they're well presented!
When I see a flint beach under a chalk cliff next to the Black Rabbit Pub at Arundel, which is seven miles from the sea, I accept that there was once a coastline there. (and that's BEFORE Ive been into the Pub!)
When I have personally dived to a depth of 60' in the English channel and found petrified tree stumps in situ, I accept that the area was once above water!

I do believe I woffle a lot....sorry!
Pub time!!!

[Digit]

Iagree with hat Mike. But I do wish that some serious funding would go into investigating the para-normal. The human brain is capable of a lot more than just crunching numbers and its limits have yet to be measured. After all Mike, what other species has the imagination of a writer?
What is imagination?
The proper study of man is mankind.

[Mike Jupp]

You'd love my novel Digit (he said shamelessly)
"RETRIBUTION.. A Supernatural Tale of Justice" (and a haunted toilet! )
..and I agree with you...But for the sake of Archaeology. Let's not open that can of worms on this Forum!!!!

[Digit]

I intend reading it Mike. I've just put the plumbing tools to rest for the evening and my time's now my own, but with some writings of War Arrow's to catch up with plus 51 issues of National Geographic plus my own writings I'm beginning to wonder if retirement was such a good idea after all. Finding this forum didn't actually help either!

[Mike Jupp]

I know what you mean about this Forum!
I hope my clients haven't seen how much time I've spent in here!
There'd be comments about the artwork being antique before they've received it!

Fun though!!

Happy Sunday!

[Bruce]

http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/artic ... ysical.htm

British investigator of the paranormal, especially physical mediums. His long series of sittings with Rudi Schneider convinced him "that impressive phenomena were observed at all these sittings. Hope was sharply critical of Harry Price's charges that Schneider cheated. "What does emerge damaged from Mr Price's report," wrote Hope, "is his own reputation as controller, conducted of investigations and critic". As far as Hope's own reputation was concerned, he was "seeking quite simply for the truth, whatever it might be", said Rosalind Heywood.

The club hates the paranormal most of all.

[Digit]

Quite! What can't be weighed, measured, or repeated at will doesn't exist. Perhaps we need different weighing and measuring equipment.

[stan]

I like the submerged coastlines pictures, Mike.

Looks like someone needs to invent a technology ...some
sort of bubble world or big tube or submarine ....something to get
down there and investigate those old surfaces...

[Mike Jupp]

Hi Stan,
I think in this case it's;
The higher you fly,The deeper you go.
Infra-red, x-ray and radar detecting is the way to go! I'm absolutely intrigued by the thought of being able to produce a 'Google' image of our coast in Roman times.( Sorry to be so parochial, but it really is intriguing!)

Doing the CGI/art is a doddle, making sure the geography is accurate is the challenge. (Well, finding the time is the REAL challenge!)
What's making me optimistic, is that a conjectural drawing that I've got in a book of the area of 43AD is corresponding to the contour shadows that I'm seeing in that 'fiddled with' image that I managed to obtain!
I would have thought that the same oportunity exists for the CGI artists among you...having a look at areas along the US coast!

[stan]

The higher you fly,The deeper you go.

LOL

I totally agree... unfortunately I can't even do GoogleEarth right now...at least the last time I checked...
because I use a Mac
I don't know the acronym CGI..computer generated images?

What do you mean by making sure the geography is accurate?
Aren't you modifying a borrowed GIS image ?

Right after hurricane Katrina last year I was able to view some aerial photos of New Orleans and find my sister's house to determine whether her neighborhood was flooded. I was able to zoom in, and improve the resolution and color using Photoshop and produce an image that showed the trees and bushes in her yard.

[Mike Jupp]

Hi Stan,
I do my stuff on a PC (and I draw with a mouse!!!)
It sounds like you had good resolution on your google images to start with. Do you use the free version, or the 'Professional' one?
Our area is in pretty good focus! I really couldn't understand why?...Until I followed the 'In focus rectangle' due South.
EXACTLY opposite my home town, 80 miles South...are the Normandy Beaches!

Re, accurate geopgraphy, no I've only got the image I posted here! I'm a cartoonist not a scientist
( http://www.webnet2000.com/mikejupp/viewtopic.php?t=11 )
Hence the unscientific 'fiddling'
Someone?... has some detailed underwater topography of the area! Those inundated coastline 'maps' in the book I mentioned are very detailed! The author must have got the information from somewhere?

I'm hoping that the Southampton University Team who HAVE got cool imaging (I know because I saw some on a TV News broadcast last year) would let me have access to a few, so that I could do some CGI (Computer Generated Image)
The problem might be that there's a commercial value to such underwater imaging..That being Aggregate positions!!! Gravel, is BIG business!

They'll probably take a dim view of requests from a pillock cartoonist who wants to do pretty pictures for fun!?

[Digit]

Pillock amateurs have laid the foundation of all modern disciplines Mike. Even Einstein's work was based on the question posed many years before by an amateur, 'why is the sky dark at night?'
Last night I watched 'The Sky at Night' and Patrick Moore was showing what valuable work can still be done by amateurs.

[marduk]

The author must have got the information from somewhere?

Glenn Milne, Durham University in association with Karin Cheetham of Proudman oceanographic institute worked on sea level modelling a few years ago
heres the result of this research
http://www.pol.ac.uk/psmsl/palaeoshorel ... L/HOME.htm
Graham Hancock used it in his book "Underworld" (just very selectively to prove an erroneous conclusion that he arrived at before he looked at any evidence)
from the link provided here is a map that shows the English channel at 10,000BP and 9000BP