Giza

[Minimalist]

http://www.rumford.com/articlemortar.html

The Greeks made further improvements and finally the Romans developed a cement that produced structures of remarkable durability.

Most of the building foundations in the Roman Forum were constructed of a form of concrete, placed in some locations to a depth of 12 feet. The great Roman baths built about 27 B.C., the Coliseum, and the huge Basilica of Constantine are examples of early Roman architecture in which cement mortar was used.


Roman Formula
The secret of Roman success in making cement was traced to the mixing of slaked lime with pozzolana, a volcanic ash from Mount Vesuvius. This process produced a cement capable of hardening under water. During the Middle Ages this art was lost and it was not until the scientific spirit of inquiry revived that we rediscovered the secret of hydraulic cement -- cement that will harden under water.

Note at the beginning the reference to the Greeks. Greeks and Etruscans had constant contact for centuries and much of the Roman technology was inherited from the Etruscans.

[stan]

I posted this link to davidovits' research on June 25.
I think most of our group didn't buy the idea of cast blocks in the pyramids,
but it seems to be gaining credibility.

http://www.geopolymer.org/category/archaeology/

[Minimalist]

Hawass will have a shit hemorrhage but I can see this re-vitalizing Oz in Bosnia.

[stan]

That's right. I forgot about him!

[Minimalist]

Blast From The Past!

[Bruce]

http://www.mysterious-america.net/cygnus-orion.html

Have We Been Duped by the Supposed Correspondence Between Orion’s Belt and the Three Pyramids of Giza?

By Dr. Greg Little

Interresting!

[Digit]

The only reason he's the worst President ever Min is because Blair hasn't got the job. Have we been duped on Orion's Belt etc? Sod the wealth of Egyptian kings, what we need is the intact tomb of of a priest or scribe or government official complete with as much info as possible on ordinary family life. I suspect a lot of pet theories would vanish like a desert Mirage.

[Minimalist]

Yes, they are a pair, Digit.

[Bruce]

Sod the wealth of Egyptian kings, what we need is the intact tomb of of a priest or scribe or government official complete with as much info as possible on ordinary family life. I suspect a lot of pet theories would vanish like a desert Mirage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6202342.stm

Qurna which sits on top of dozens of pharaonic tombs in Luxor.

The Egyptian government is determined to move the 3,200 families of the village to an alternative settlement it has built a few kilometres away.
Bulldozers have moved in to demolish houses in the Egyptian village of
Officials say emptying out the village will enable them to explore the tombs and to protect them from water damage.

An official ceremony was held and the bulldozers moved in.

Egyptian emminent domain! Who cares about the families, preists, or scribes- we have pharonic tombs! I'm sure this isn't a modern event, how did they get all those pyramids built? They didn't give a sod about peasents then and they don't now.

[DougWeller]

That Beag I WANT to see. Too often the Egyptian authorities seem to be very reluctant to allow any examination that might just upset the status quo, for example, surely we all want to know about that cavity between the Sphynx's feet, and the best way to terminate the arguments about concrete work is to allow the tests to take place.
Knowing that ancients didn't rely on levitation, flying saucers, magic or a race of giants will never diminish their achievements

This cavity?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/ma ... 70210.html

On the 'concrete', from a geologist posting on Usenet

All I have seen of this so far is a 57 mb 36 page PDF slide show by
one of the authors of ths new paper.... it resorts to the "copper
chisels, the only tool the AE ever had" strawman at various places. A
ridiculously common fringe archeology ploy that I have seen so many
others use in the past. Not a very good sign at all. It also seems to
suggest that clearly weathered limestone masonry is cast because it
looks different from the somewhat freshly exposed and less weathered
blocks nearby. I hope that their "strange" chemical analysis is not
based on detritus from salt weathered rock surfaces... I like the
section on the granite blocks as well... since they are natural rock
the AE clearly had the ability to move heavy weights to great heights
and carve hardrocks with the tools and technology attributed to them
during the OK. Invalidates all those "how would they/you carve this"?
proclamations on the previous slides with strange shaped limestone
blocks. Instead the slide show resorts to "true and incomprehensible
mystery" innuendo in an apparent attempt to sidstep that fact... why
because the ancient Egyptians only had "soft copper" to cave the
granite, etc. I always get a good laugh from these people.... never
ever fails It's good to know the poured-rock crowd has finally
started to realize that the granite in the GP cannot be claimed to be
synthetic without them looking like complete fools.

Quite remarkable just how susceptible the rocks of Member II are to
agglomeration in water considering the solution widened joints and
colour bands present in them (El Aref & Refai 1987, Gauri &
Bandyopadhyay 1999). I guess none of these people realize that during
the Pliocene the Mediterranean Sea transgressed into the Nile valley
causing the Giza Plateau to become a peninsula. There are 2 levels of
30 m high shoreline eroded cliffs on the north and west Mokattam
escarpments just a short distance (the closest a few hundred meters or
so) from the Pyramids (Aigner 1983). That is, most of these rocks
around the Sphinx were below sea level for a very long time during
this period. It's remarkable that that completely non-existent 12 foot
thick bed of "kaolin-rich" limestone that Morris (1994) asserts exists
in Member II didn't turn in to mud and squirt away under the weight of
the overlying rock.... truly remarkable!!! I don't know what's more
remarkable that lack of squirting agglomeration mud or that someone
would think that a piece of weathered detritus sitting on the surface
is a representative sample of in-situ unweathered rock on the Giza
Plateau.

Aigner, T. (1983) A Pliocene cliff-line around the Giza Pyramids
Plateau, Egypt. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, 42,
313-322.

El Aref, M. M., & Refai, E. (1987) Paleokarst processes in the Eocene
limestones of the Pyramids Plateau, Giza. Egypt. J. Afr. Earth Sci.,
6, 367-377.

Gauri, K.L. & Bandyopadhyay, J.K. (1999) Carbonate stone: chemical
behavior, durability, and conservation. Wiley, New York, 284 p.

Morris, M. (1994) Response (to Harrell in letters to the Editor).
Journal of Geological Education, 42, 198-203.

57 mb PDF file
http://www.drexel.edu/univrel/media/pyramid.pdf

Archae Solenhofen

3 days and I'll be in Luxor!

[Minimalist]

Who cares about the families, preists, or scribes- we have pharonic tombs!

Yeah, and they've been digging in their basements and looting the tombs.

[Digit]

Yes Doug, that cavity. Undoubtedly there has been some wishful interpretations by researchers. But going back to what I said about lesser tombs I must confess to being torn between wanting to see those tombs opened and the rights of the people living there. Much of my own home I built with my own hands and be it ever so humble there's no place like home.

[Beagle]

http://www.mysterious-america.net/cygnus-orion.html

Have We Been Duped by the Supposed Correspondence Between Orion’s Belt and the Three Pyramids of Giza?

By Dr. Greg Little

Interresting!

Bruce, where did you find this? This author says Essan and Marduk are the same person. No - I don't believe that.
Whew -

[Minimalist]

At Saqqara rather than Giza but still, a good find.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/egypt_mummy_dc

CAIRO (Reuters) - Egyptian archaeologists have discovered the funerary remains of a doctor who lived more than 4,000 years ago, including his mummy, sarcophagus and bronze surgical instruments.

[marduk]

Bruce, where did you find this? This author says Essan and Marduk are the same person. No - I don't believe that.

this was because his post calling me every name under the sun was deleted by Richard Fusniak (ghmb moderator) because it contravened libel laws
Greg Little being a member of the crackpot group the A.R.E immediately started his own conspiracy theory
his idea that me and Essan are the same person came about at the suggestion of another poster (Raja) Amy Clayton who is even more nuts than either Greg Little or Andrew Collins
but thankyou for pointing this out
I will now create a website where I will post the evidence that Greg Little is not only a nut but that he also has lied several times about his claims for the Bimini road to attempt to persuade the rest of "the faithful" that it really is Atlantis as the convicted criminal Edgar Cayce claimed while he was asleep.
Greg Little claims that he isn't searching for Atlantis in Bimini but a quick visit to the A.R.E. website shows that he is head of the Atlantis is the Bahamas project
hes been peddling his wares over at the GHMB for about a year now because quite a few of the posters over there haven't got the sense they were born with


the fact that I am friends and known to be a real person by a whole host of famous authors and academics seems to have eluded Greg Littles feeble reasoning power
this is of course because he doesn't listen to anyone with the facts

oh and his qualifications to be studying Geology and ancient history
hes a psycologist

roflmao