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[marduk]

That still conotates the preHolocene individuals being from India. We don't have enough evidence to make this conclusion.

well clovis doesnt sound frankish to you ?

[Charlie Hatchett]

well clovis doesnt sound frankish to you ?

No clue. Clovis technology was named after the closest town to which Clovis points were first discovered, in Clovis, New Mexico. Blackwater Draw is located just outside of Clovis, New Mexico.

http://www.enmu.edu/academics/excellenc ... ndex.shtml

[marduk]

you're missing the point
you don't know what this former spanish territory was named after ?
it wasn't named after the points

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankish_Empire

[Charlie Hatchett]

you're missing the point
you don't know what this former spanish territory was named after ?
it wasn't named after the points

Who cares. Who named the technology?

Hint...it was post Spanish.

[marduk]

its like this Charlie
the town is named after Clovis the first of the Frankish empire
the points are named after the twon
so the points name is derived from Clovis the first of the frankish empire
thats pre spanish
its called etymology

[Charlie Hatchett]

so the points name is derived from Clovis the first of the frankish empire
thats pre spanish

Thanks for the language lesson...

I feel much smarter now.

[Cognito]

This fun guy unified Gaul (something nobody has been able to do since) and made Catholicism the state religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_I

[Charlie Hatchett]

...and remember, my son, there are no hand axes in North America...

[Minimalist]

and the Merovingian dynasty which ruled the Franks for the next two centuries.

Not the Da Vinci Code again!!!!!

[Beagle]

http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/archive ... N=37516917

Quantifying the Functional Utility of Handaxe Symmetry: An Experimental Butchery Approach

Seems like a nice study on the Acheulian handaxe, but they don't say there were handaxes in North America.

[Charlie Hatchett]

Bones:



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone134.jpg

Bone- 7"- Found In Situ- Foxtrot B-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone135.jpg

Bone- 7"- Found In Situ- Foxtrot B-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone136.jpg

Bone- 7"- Found In Situ- Foxtrot B-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone137.jpg

Bone- 7"- Found In Situ- Foxtrot B-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone138.jpg

Bone- 7"- Found In Situ- Foxtrot B-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone139.jpg

Bone- 7"- Found In Situ- Foxtrot B-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone158.jpg

Tooth- 2.5"- Foxtrot B-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone158.jpg

Tooth- 2.5"- Foxtrot B-Igl-Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone156.jpg

Bone- 2.75"- Foxtrot B-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone157.jpg

Bone- 2.75"- Foxtrot B-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone140.jpg

Bone- 5 7/8"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone141.jpg

Bone- 5 7/8"- Lima-Igl-Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone142.jpg

Bone- 8.75"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone143.jpg

Bone- 8.75"- Lima-Igl-Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone144.jpg

Bone- 7.5"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone145.jpg

Bone- 7.5"- Lima-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone146.jpg

Bone- 5.5"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone147.jpg

Bone- 5.5"- Lima-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone148.jpg

Bone- 3"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone149.jpg

Bone- 3"- Lima-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone150.jpg

Bone- 2.5"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone151.jpg

Bone- 2.5"- Lima-Igl-Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone152.jpg

Bone- 2.75"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone153.jpg

Bone- 2.75"- Lima-Igl- Another View



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone154.jpg

Bone- 1.75"- Lima-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/bone155.jpg

Bone- 1.75"- Lima-Igl- Another View


Hand Axes:



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20441.jpg

PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5"- Romeo-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20445.jpg

PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5"- Romeo-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20442.jpg

PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal/ Dorsal View- 5"- Romeo-Igl

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http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20443.jpg

PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 6"- Romeo-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20446.jpg

PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 6"- Romeo-Igl



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20447.jpg

PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal/ Dorsal View- 6"- Romeo-Igl

[Charlie Hatchett]

Seems like a nice study on the Acheulian handaxe, but they don't say there were handaxes in North America.

Interesting paper, Beags.

The aim of this series of experiments was to empirically test the relationship between Acheulean handaxe form and effectiveness for butchery, and contribute to the continuing discussion regarding the factors influencing handaxe form.

[Cognito]

Charlie, your hand-axe below is the exact same technology that I find in California. The flaking method and form is identical. Did I send you one from here and forget about it? Can you give me all the dimensions of that sucker?

[Charlie Hatchett]

Charlie, your hand-axe below is the exact same technology that I find in California. The flaking method and form is identical. Did I send you one from here and forget about it? Can you give me all the dimensions of that sucker?

Did I send you one from here and forget about it?

Well...uggggh...ummmm...

Charlie, your hand-axe below is the exact same technology that I find in California. The flaking method and form is identical.

Yeah, I think this one you found looks like a dead ringer:



Compared to this Texas one:



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20443.jpg

Can you give me all the dimensions of that sucker?

L=6"
w=3.5"
thickness=2.5"-proximal end
thickness=.5"-distal end, before tip beveling

[Cognito]

Charlie, my hand-axe has the following dimensions:

L=5"
w=2.25"
thickness=1.25"-proximal end
thickness=.5"-distal end, before tip beveling

What surprises me is the flint striking patterns. They are identical. Now I would like to compare our two samples to something from Europe or Africa.