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Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:07 pm

In the Land Bridge thread, Cogs has posted a map of California showing the ice age coastline.

It doesn't take too much imagination to visualize the extension of that strip of land north into the Pacific Northwest and Canada.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:48 pm

Author's Note: I gladly accept photos of handaxes for this website. There are NO handaxes in America so they must come from Europe, Africa, or Asia. Handaxes must have evidence of being worked by hand -- please don't send photos of odd rocks that merely resemble handaxes. Don't ask about selling handaxes -- most have little monetary value, although museums treat such donations as if they were priceless. You can also send me handaxes and I will put photos online, and then donate them to a US museum with credit to you. If you're hunting for handaxes it's best to consult a text with maps of stone age settlements.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/axe/

Ha! Look what I stumbled across. Dang. Well, I guess I'll quit...

Think I should e-mail him, and yank his chain a bit?

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:08 pm

Think I should e-mail him, and yank his chain a bit?

That's actually a very nice article. But yeah, go ahead and give him a little heartburn Charlie.

He may log on and see your whole collection - or visit your website. That would be interesting.

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:10 pm

Yeah, Charlie. Email him and yank his chain.
BUt be sure to only show him a few of your best and most
obvious handaxes...otherwise you'll be shot down.

If he can't see or admit the most obvious ones, then
he's clearly in "denial."

BTW, in North Carolina, our state archaeologists talk about hand axes
here.

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:20 pm

There are NO handaxes in America so they must come from Europe, Africa, or Asia.

Why don't you just have Dr. Kowalski strategically cram one of our non-existing hand axes up his rectum, instead? Shouldn't be too painful if they don't exist, eh?

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:22 pm

That's actually a very nice article. But yeah, go ahead and give him a little heartburn Charlie.

Yeah, it was a good article, with lots of images. I bookmarked it.

Yeah, Charlie. Email him and yank his chain.
But be sure to only show him a few of your best and most
obvious handaxes...otherwise you'll be shot down.

Will do. What's to lose? I figure I'll send him the top 5. Any input as to which those should be, is much appreciated.

BTW, in North Carolina, our state archaeologists talk about hand axes
here.

Any mention of context? Interesting!

Why don't you just have Dr. Kowalski strategically cram one of our non-existing hand axes up his rectum, instead? Shouldn't be too painful if they don't exist, eh?

Didn't you send a guy some photos of your axes, and he acknowledged they were handaxes...until you told him where they were found?

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:26 pm

Didn't you send a guy some photos of your axes, and he acknowledged they were handaxes...until you told him where they were found?

Yup ... same guy.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:34 pm

Yup ... same guy.

Ha! Go figure.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:56 pm

Here's what I think are 5 good ones to send the Dr.:

I.

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20368.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 7.5"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20366.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 7.5"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20367.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 7.5"- Lima-Igl
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II.

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20441.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20442.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Basal/ Dorsal View- 5"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20445.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5"- Romeo-Igl

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III.

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20443.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 6"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20446.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 6"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20447.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal/ Dorsal View- 6"- Romeo-Igl

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IV.

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20501.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5.5"- Lima B-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20502.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5.5"- Lima B-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20503.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 5.5"- Lima B-Igl

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V.

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20210.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20211.jpg

What do you guys think?

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:51 pm

Charlie,

I think no one should question #'s
II, III, and V. They seem obvious.

However, since you just revealed that you've had previous dealings with this guy, hmmmm.

Can you ask him to talk about the obvious knapping patterns
and overall "correct" size and shape of II, III, and V?

The fellow's site at least acknowledges some crude and small forms which he calls hand axes...so apparently he's willing to accept different morphologies....but it also sounds like his definition only applies to the
Paleolitihic, which didn't exist in NA. according to established dogma.

I'll try to find that reference to hand axes in NC.
However, I want to know if you are drawing a distinction between
what I call "celts" and hand axes. Celts are ground smooth, used by
Native Americans sometimes as ritual objects. I am sure these are found in NA, but are from more recent times.

stan · Post by **stan** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:03 pm

http://www.webdyer.com/artifacts_fossils/tools.htm

Here's something I stumbled across...some pictures of
hand axes from the midwest. (Don't know how authentic or
well documented these are.)

stan · Post by **stan** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:57 am

Charlie, Here's another site, from Skidmore college in Ohio.
It pictures something called "preforms" as well as
"celts."

http://www.skidmore.edu/www/academics/a ... photos.htm

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:09 am

Morning, Stan.

Appreciate the refs. It's hard to compare many of the pieces, because of their relative youth, and the absence of a Woodland and Mississippian period in central Texas. The handax or two displayed in the first ref definitely look like their made for similar functions, but the worked portions of chert look way young compared to the context in which I'm finding these handaxes (no patina, carbonate deposits, etc..). The handaxes here are being found well below the Clovis horizon, in the Pleistocene gravels:

I think I'll take your advice on the three handaxes. I'll keep it short and sweet. I haven't actually made contact with Dr. Kowalski. Pat has, though. He was told there are no handaxes in N.A.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:11 am

Yeah, but it's a valid scientific principle, in historical matters: Inference To The Best Explanation. Who knows, Bro. We're just scratching the surface...

If this dating starts to stand up, we have to remember HS encountered HN, HE, and who knows who else when he got here.

http://www.bbrotemarkle.com/Album12/3_8_06_0101.html

Stan, You wrote something about mineral images being projected. Do you have any links for that.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:14 am

If this dating starts to stand up, we have to remember HS encountered HN, HE, and who knows who else when he got here.

Good point. Definitely requires a very open mind.

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