Noah's Flood...

[Frank Harrist]

Again, plenty of snide comments, but no actual evidence

I have heard no evidence from either you or archaeologist. Only nit-picking at semantics. You only scan the articles and posts for little shit you can gnaw at. Things that are totally beside the actual point. And when someone provides you with evidence you dismiss it as unreliable or slanted to discredit religion. It's like talking to a brick wall. No matter what anyone produces as evidence you won't buy it. So I'll believe what I want and you believe what you want and never the twain shall meet. Some people just troll for arguments. Oh and don't bother to try and bait me, because I will not be baited.

[Frank Harrist]

There is no geological evidence of a world-wide flood. No evidence in this, western hemisphere. Show me some evidence. Or come up with some convoluted explanation for why there is none. That's what you guys do ain't it? Answer some of the questions from the previous post by freethinker. Come up with something intelligent and which actually addresses the point. So far you guys haven't proven anything. You just keep asking for proof and when it is shown to you, you deny it or just ignore it. Lots of words and lots of faith do not constitute proof.

[Minimalist]

According to this http://www.dandavidprize.org/laureates/ ... stein.html ..."Israel Finkelstein is widely regarded as a leading scholar inthe archaeology of the Levant and a foremost applicant of archaeological knowledge to reconstructing biblical Israelite history..." and "...has attempted to combine archaeology and philology, to show how archaeological evidence can lead to new textual interpretations and how texts can elucidate the meaning of archaeological evidence, all focussed within one region where both bodies of evidence still survive"
Isn't that the opposite of what you're trying to say?!

Absolutely not, but, in the unlikely event that you tear yourself away from your fairy tales (obviously you didn't get that) and actually read what Finklestein has to say you will be greatly disappointed. His work, which ironically enough resulted from the Israeli victory in the 1967 war which gave them access to previously off-limits arab territory, shows that the Israelites arose in Eastern Palestine, around the end of the 13th century and slowly developed into two separate political entities, Israel and Judea. No United Monarchy. No Exodus. No Patriarchs. No verifiable history as a modern state until the Omride Dynasty emerged in Israel.

But, as I said, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to read anything which contradicts your myopic view of the world.

[Guest]

I have heard no evidence from either you or archaeologist.

Because I didn't set out to prove anything to start with. I've already stated I don't believe archaeologist's evidence-but you, Freethinker and Minimalist haven't exactly covered yourselves with glory proving anything either. Anytime you DO post a link, it's to articles little better than newspaper features; no references, no bibliography, nothing to give any credence to the author's stance. That's not academia, it's little better than a pub argument, and you know it.

Only nit-picking at semantics

Frank, if you ever manage to get to a proper academic conference, that's exactly what they consist of. Why? Because if a theory can't stand up to minute scrutiny, how do you know the author's done his homework on the rest of it?

Some people just troll for arguments.

I think pot, kettle and black just about covers that one.

[Guest]

Absolutely not, but, in the unlikely event that you tear yourself away from your fairy tales

For the third time today, I'm an atheist. Is labelling people as 'bible bashers' the only response you know when people dare not to believe you?

But, as I said, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to read anything which contradicts your myopic view of the world.

And again, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

[stan]

Gordon, if that's you, please log in and identify yourself.
Thanks.
Stan

[Minimalist]

Absolutely not, but, in the unlikely event that you tear yourself away from your fairy tales

For the third time today, I'm an atheist. Is labelling people as 'bible bashers' the only response you know when people dare not to believe you?

But, as I said, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to read anything which contradicts your myopic view of the world.

And again, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

You're still quacking like that bible believing duck. Perhaps you are merely trying to cover all the bases?

[Leona Conner]

Archaeologist stated on an earlier post on this thread, that the Biblical account of the flood was the first account known to man. He must not have heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh, it was written sometime between 2500 and 2700 BCE. That would predate the Bible. Is it not possible that the Hebrews could have heard the story during the stay in Babylon? If so then the perversion would be the Bible.

Also, in Immanual Velikovsky's book "Earth in Upheaval" he has accounts of flood myths from both North and South American natives.

[Minimalist]

The Egyptian version of the Flood Myth:

EGYPT -- FLOOD

Ra was warned by the Watery Abyss that humans had grown too rebellious, so he took Hathor and ordered her to punish the people.

Hathor went to earth and slew millions of humans. The streets of the town of Chetenuten began to run like a river with blood because of her horrific endeavour. So much blood drained into the Nile that it overflowed the riverbanks, and the bloody water flooded the land, destroying everything. This water eventually ran into the sea, which overflowed as well. Hathor began drinking this horrible mixture of blood and water.

Ra was displeased with Hathor's work, as he had only wanted to punish, and not destroy, the human race. So he asked Thoth, the wisest God, for help. He then told the Goddess Sektet to mix together dada, fruit and barley to make beer. The beer was then to be mixed with human blood, in the hopes that it would attract Hathor.

Ra's servents were then ordered to pour out the mixture on the remaining land near Hathor. The beer became a great sea, and Hathor was drawn to it by the smell of the blood. She drank the beer until she was so intoxicated that she staggered off to sleep, leaving the last few humans behind.

From those humans, earth was repopulated.

Ra left the upkeep of earth to Thoth from then on, and he went off to rest on the back of the great cow of heaven. Thoth taught humans how to be civilized.

[Minimalist]

The Greek version:

GREECE -- THE GREAT FLOOD

In early history, it is not known if perhaps it was even before the Golden Age of man, humans became more horrible and wicked as each day passed, and Zeus got angry with them all. One day he decided to demolish them, and Prometheus - the Titan who had made mankind - was warned of the flood Zeus was going to cast on the earth. Prometheus then warned his son Deucalion as well as Deucalion's wife, Pyrrha. They were put in a wooden chest in which they lived until the flood, which lasted nine days and nights, subsided. The only parts of the earth that were left untouched by the flood were Mount Parnassus and Mount Olympus.

The chest landed on Mount Parnassus, and Deucalion and Pyrrha emerged to find that their world had been destroyed. There was enough food in the trunk to last until the water went away, and when it did, the two were horrified by the dead bodies of humans and animals that now littered the earth.

Deucalion and Pyrrha thanked the Gods for having been saved, and Zeus told them to cover their heads and throw the bones of their mother behind them. Pyrrha didn't understand, saying that they had only each other and that her mother hadn't come with them in the chest. Deucalion understood, and threw some stones behind him. The stones were Mother Earth's bones. From the stones Deucalion and Pyrrha threw, the next race of people were born and these people repopulated the Earth.

[FreeThinker]

I am not seeking to cover myself with glory. I am only seeking the true truth. I asked several basic questions about the bibical story of Noah's flood. As of yet not one of them has been answered by the supporters of the worldwide flood story. An extraordinary claim like such as the entire earth being covered by a flood deep enough to have a boat come to rest on the summit of Mount Ararat requires extraordinary proof. So far I have seen none at all.

[Minimalist]

The Algonquin Flood Myth:

ALGONQUIN -- FLOOD

One day, the god Michabo was out hunting with his pack of wolves, when he noticed that his wolves went into the lake and didn't come back out. He went in to fetch them out, and the world flooded as he did so. Michabo sent a raven looking for soil to make a new earth from, but the bird couldn't find any, and an otter sent out on the same quest produced no results either.

Michabo then sent a muskrat and she came back with enough soil to create a new earth. Michabo was pleased, and the two married and became the parents of humans.

[Minimalist]

Here's a whole pile of others....


http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/titania.htm

[Guest]

I am only seeking the true truth. I asked several basic questions about the bibical story of Noah's flood. As of yet not one of them has been answered by the supporters of the worldwide flood story.

sorry but you post faster than i do andi haven't read it completely yet. but if you can't wait here is a book that will help you: 'The Flood" by Dr. Alfred M. Rehwinckel. it is old but filled with more than enough information to answer your questions.

Archaeologist stated on an earlier post on this thread, that the Biblical account of the flood was the first account known to man. He must not have heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh,

i said, western man, and yes i have known about the gilamesh epic for sometime now. but it is presumed to be older than the Bible, we do not know exactly when the book of genesis was written nor do we know for sure when the epic was written. Genesis is attributed to Moses but i have come across some information that may put that in doubt and make the first book of the Bible older than the other books of moses.

Is it not possible that the Hebrews could have heard the story during the stay in Babylon?

it is possible that they heard the story in Babylon but you forget, even if the israelites did not write down the book till later, their oral history would have pre-dated the babylonian writing thus they would have been able to compare and see where the babylonians erred.

There is no geological evidence of a world-wide flood. No evidence in this, western hemisphere

i'm sorry but you don't know that. there is a vast area that has not been dug up and archaeologists may have missed it, mis-labeled it if found or have not dug deep enough. there are a variiety of reasons why there has been no mention of any evidence in the west and if you were a non-religious archaeologist and you found evidence, would you want to prove the Bible true ruining your life work and your whole belief system?

[Realist]

Gordon, if that's you, please log in and identify yourself.
Thanks.
Stan

Stan,
I emailed the site owner and asked for my account to be deleted, which is why it's now coming up as 'guest'.
I also made an official complaint about some of the comments. That last one by Minimalist only proves what a bigot he is, and that his only answer to someone who disagreeswith him is to label them as a 'religious nutter' (a phrase he chucked at me the other day).