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[Cognito]

Charley, not really following all of this but, if you really want to know how much traffic your getting and from where, do a google search for "google analytics". Register with them and they give a code snippet you insert in the body text of your web page. ITS ALL FREE.

You can then get full reports on page hits, returning vs. first timers, where geographically the hits are coming from, referring websites, what theyre looking at and how far they drilldown, so on and so on.

And if you're getting a lot of traffic from Korea it's probably Archie trying to find out if your material pre-dates the bible.

[Beagle]

Charley, not really following all of this but, if you really want to know how much traffic your getting and from where, do a google search for "google analytics". Register with them and they give a code snippet you insert in the body text of your web page. ITS ALL FREE.

You can then get full reports on page hits, returning vs. first timers, where geographically the hits are coming from, referring websites, what theyre looking at and how far they drilldown, so on and so on.

That is some really neat info Monk. Thanks!

[Charlie Hatchett]

Thanks, Monk.

Currently I have the free Statcounter software. I'll definitely have a look at Google's package.

[Charlie Hatchett]

Berkeley Geochronology Center's facilities:

40Ar/39Ar Laboratory

A state of the art 40Ar/39Ar laboratory, featuring three fully automated gas extraction-mass spectrometry systems, is used for dating rocks and minerals by methods based on the natural radioactive decay of potassium. These systems can be used to date samples as young as 2,000 years, and as old as the Earth itself (4.6 billion years), depending on the nature of the sample.

http://www.bgc.org/facilities/argon_lab.html

The Ar/Ar technique is the one used at Hueyatlaco.

Uranium Daughter Laboratory

Using the 230Th/U and 234U/238U methods, this lab is capable of dating samples ranging in age from about a million years old to less than 100 years. On suitable materials, the 230Th/U method is sufficiently precise and reliable that it is used as the ultimate calibration of the radiocarbon dating method for samples older than about 10,000 years.

http://www.bgc.org/facilities/u_daughter_lab.html

Paleomagnetism Laboratory

A paleomagnetism laboratory is housed in a specially constructed room that eliminates the Earth's magnetic field to permit highly sensitive measurement of fossil magnetism preserved in rocks. Information about Earth's ancient magnetic field, as recorded in rocks and other geologic materials, is useful for determining samples' ages (through correlation of magnetic polarity) as well as past motions of the continents (through analysis of paleomagnetic poles).

http://www.bgc.org/facilities/palmag_lab.html

Noble Gas Thermochronometry Lab and (U-Th)/He Chronometry

The Noble Gas Thermochronometry Lab (NGTL) is specifically designed for high-precision and high-accuracy thermochronometry and is currently under construction at BGC. The lab will simultaneously and accurately measure nuclide abundances and temperatures during stepwise thermal extraction of noble gases from minerals and glasses over a wide range of temperatures. Accurate temperature control is essential for noble gas thermochronology.

http://www.bgc.org/facilities/u_th_he_lab.html

Other Facilities and Resources

Software

Novel and highly acclaimed software for all laboratories is developed and maintained in-house, and is made available to the international scientific community. The integration of software, instrumentation, and automation in the argon laboratory resulted in nomination in 1992 for a Computerworld Smithsonian Award in the Science Category. The argon data acquisition and reduction program "Mass Spec" (by Alan Deino) is used in laboratories around the world.

Sample Preparation

BGC's laboratory facilities are supported by in-house electronics and mechanical shops, and sample preparation facilities. Sample preparation facilities support the analytical laboratories, and include standard equipment (crushers, mills, saws, heavy liquids, magnetic separators, sieves) for mineral separation and characterization (binocular and petrographic microscopes with digital photographic capabilities).

Laboratory Support Infrastructure

In-house electronics and vacuum shops support the various instruments used in the mass spectrometry and paleomagnetics laboratories.

http://www.bgc.org/facilities/other_facil.html

[Minimalist]

The Ar/Ar technique is the one used at Hueyatlaco.

And, if the results come out at anything above 12,000 BC the Club will denounce it as "obviously unreliable!"

[Charlie Hatchett]

And, if the results come out at anything above 12,000 BC the Club will denounce it as "obviously unreliable!"

Anyone trying to refute research done by BGC, in which they have confidence, better have their ducks in a row. If not, they'll be made to look foolish.

[Charlie Hatchett]

Here's a thread, on a Human Migrations forum, that has an interesting twist:

Re: N. A. Watercraft Construction During the Early, Middle and Late Paleolithic

D:

Charlie, in the general region where the artifacts have been found, is
there any known history of local people making dug-outs with stone
tools? Have any remnants of wooden dug-outs been recovered in the
periphery of the Gulf of Mexico?

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Charlie:

Here's a few refs, D:

"...The preponderance of stone and shell adzes begs the question, what
were these woodworking tools actually used to make? Adzes can be
hafted and used in somewhat different ways for chopping, gouging, and
shaping wood, but the most likely targets were relatively large pieces
of wood—trees and large limbs. Most of the hand-held tools mentioned
above may not have required much more than a sharp piece of flint,
even just a large flake, to fashion from a suitable limb or small
sapling. Two larger artifacts spring to mind as prime candidates that
would have required adzing: mortars and dugout canoes... But the
setting of Morhiss Mound suggests another adze use as well, this one
quite speculative. Dugout canoes. We know from many sources that
dugout canoes were made across much of the Eastern Woodlands. And we
know that some sort of canoes were seen by the Spanish along the Texas
coast. The Guadalupe and San Antonio rivers are quite easily navigated
by such boats, as attested by the many canoeists and kayakers who use
these rivers and their larger tributaries today. We will leave it at
that, an intriguing possibility that might help explain one of the
reasons that Morhiss Mound had so many woodworking tools..."

http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/morhiss/story.html



"This dugout canoe was found buried within flood deposits along the
Red River below Texarkana. It is thought to represent a Caddo canoe
and has been radiocarbon dated to about A.D. 1000. A rare find indeed.
Although there is no direct archeological evidence of dugout canoes
along the Guadalupe River, the many woodworking tools found at Morhiss
Mound are intriguing. Photograph courtesy Frank Schambach."

http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/morhi ... canoe.html


"...Because they lived near so much water in the rivers and marshes
all of the Atakapans made and used dugout canoes. A dugout canoe is
made from a tree trunk that is hollowed out..."

http://www.texasindians.com/atakap.htm

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D:

Have you found similarities between
the artifacts you have and stone tools in areas hundreds of miles awy
on coasts or streams?

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Charlie:

That's the kicker, D. I've found no similarities in North America,
except the new discovery of a potential preClovis site in Minnesota:

http://media.startribune.com/smedia/200 ... iate.2.jpg

Published January 11, 2007

Star Tribune

This is a blade with a two-sided edge, likely used for general cutting
or scraping.

http://media.startribune.com/smedia/200 ... iate.2.jpg


This axe-like tool was suitable for such uses as chopping wood and
processing game.

Published January 11, 2007

Star Tribune

"Based on the data recovery investigations and further consultation,
it appears the site may be significantly more important than
originally assessed," Britta Bloomberg, Minnesota Deputy State
Historic Preservation officer wrote to officials Jan. 2. "The location
of lithic artifacts below glacial sediments may date the site as the
oldest known archaeological site in Minnesota, and among the oldest
known archaeological sites in North and South America."

http://www.walkermn.com/placed/index.ph ... _id=229282
____________________________________________________________________
D:

Are there trees growing around water near the
sites you have sought, which could have been made into dug-outs?
_____________________________________________________________________
Charlie:

Currently, there are abundant, very large pecan trees that would make
excellent canoes. I need to research past tree growth.
When the ice storms subside, I can get out and snap some images of the
trees, if you would like.

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D:

Was the climate wetter or drier during the periods which you speculate the
stone tool were used?

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Charlie:

Several of the geologists, studying the site and the artifacts, feel
the tools may have been manufactured during the Illinoisan, which
would have been much wetter than current conditions. Further analyses
should help pinpoint the dating.

_________________________________________________________________________


D:

Are the stone artifacts you have found concentrated in a small area
near water, or on a hill quarry?

_____________________________________________________________________

Charlie:

The site is deposited at the bottom of well stratifed alluvial
deposits, bordering Brushy Creek, which is a tributary to The Brazos
River. The Brazos River drains into The Gulf of Mexico, ca. 175 nm
southeast.

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D:
Arethere many natural stone objects nearby which you think were not stone
artifacts, or are all the stones artifacts of tool use?

_____________________________________________________________________

Charlie:

There are many natural chert and limestone cobbles contained within
the strata from which the crude axe and cleaver type tools are being
recovered.

Here's a few images of the strata profile:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/afw120a.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/afw120.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site3.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site9.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site11.jpg

And some various shots of the site:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site1.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site2.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site5.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site26.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site28.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/site31.jpg



http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Huma ... ssage/1313

[Minimalist]

And, if the results come out at anything above 12,000 BC the Club will denounce it as "obviously unreliable!"

Anyone trying to refute research done by BGC, in which they have confidence, better have their ducks in a row. If not, they'll be made to look foolish.

But they know that there was nothing here pre-Clovis so any test that shows that there are pre-Clovis artifacts just has to be wrong....doesn't it? DOESN'T IT?????

[Charlie Hatchett]

But they know that there was nothing here pre-Clovis so any test that shows that there are pre-Clovis artifacts just has to be wrong....doesn't it? DOESN'T IT?????

Where's your "Amen" emoticon?

[Charlie Hatchett]

More hand-axes, cleavers, hammerstones and other large, bulky tools, recovered from Unit Lima:



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20398.jpg



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20399.jpg



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20400.jpg



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20401.jpg



http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20402.jpg

Again, all this is from just one unit. Multiply this amount by 8 more units, so far, and you can start to get an idea of the massive amount of tools coming out of the site, as a whole. And the above pictures are just the ones from Lima that haven't been posted yet.

Help!!!

[Minimalist]

But they know that there was nothing here pre-Clovis so any test that shows that there are pre-Clovis artifacts just has to be wrong....doesn't it? DOESN'T IT?????

Where's your "Amen" emoticon?

[Charlie Hatchett]

Ahhh, did it have a bug implanted in it?

[Minimalist]

More my style.

[Minimalist]

I don't know what's with that. Who puts up a list of smilies and then cross links them to an advertisement.

Probably those Club bastards again.

[Charlie Hatchett]

... I like that one better.