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marduk · Post by **marduk** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:15 pm

You are the historian here

eh
who is
what are his credentials
nobody you ever speak to is a historian beagle
surely you know that
and besides
if hes a genuine historian doesnt that make him a club member

Post by **Minimalist** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:24 pm

Give Athens from the Battle of Salamis (480) to the end of the Peloponnesian War in 404. A mere 76 years.

Babylon conquered Assyria in 612 and was itself conquered by Persia in 539. 73 years.

Alexander won the Battle of Issus in 333 and was dead by 323. 10 years.

Still....they all left their mark.

Meanwhile, when the bible claims that David had a vast empire the Arameans were ruling in Syria. I guess they weren't clued in to the great bible history plan.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:35 pm

See, I knew it would come down to what you mean by high point. Pretty subjective.

I had Alexander nailed.

Some (I say some) subjectivity with Babylon also. But that works for me.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:36 am

I think the point is that 80 years of "imperial" administration should have left a mark somewhere.

If there was a 'David' who founded the dynasty he was just the guy with the most goats on the hill.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:56 am

Its a shame that very little evidence exists to 'prove' some of the claims about King David. I know of two possibly three references:
1. The Tel-Dan basalt stone mentions the "house of David" and possibly dates to the 9th century.
2. The 2005 annocement that Davids palace was found in east Jerusalem
3. And one other possible fragment which mentioned his name (announced, I thought in 2006) but since its tough to find any references, about it, its may not be widely accepted.

It seems the fledgling kingdom has little competition for the region, apart from the Philistines. Assyria was recovering from crushing blows from northern tribes, Babylon was fairly contained to the northeast side of the Euphrates, intent on building programs. Egypt was a threat but its takes motivation and the chance for reward to launch raids. The Syrians were supposedly at peace with the newly formed Israel and selling their technology and construction expertise.

Major cultural and commercial centers did not exist in that local region, that I am aware of, so it seems logical, few remains can be found.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:16 am

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20582.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5.5"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20583.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5.5"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20584.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 5.5"- Romeo-Igl

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:19 am

The Greeks were big on logic, and in support of logic I would take issue with all of the last few posts. I fail to understand how a Fundy insists on the reliabilty of every word of the bible as after years of oral transmissiom, then several translations, I would be staggered if it wasn't full of contradictions etc.
As an historical document it's no different to English history as regards embellishment, at one time the English king list included Arthur, and Robin Hood, Hereward, and Boudicca are supposed to have given the occupiers Hell.
The students of Sanskrit, Egyptian glyphs and other ancieant languages still argue over the minutae of names and I imagine the same applies to to Babylonian and Akkadian, etc as well, and until all venues relating to the bible are excavated I suggest archaeological support, or otherwise, would be more accurately defined as un proven. Who knows what tommorow might bring?

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:03 am

I'm hoping that this thread doesn't get infected with the same old tired religious banter.

Charlies got a large collection of pics here and we should try to stay on topic - for once.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:06 am

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20585.jpg

Possible PreClovis Biface- Dorsal View- 4.25"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20586.jpg

Possible PreClovis Biface- Ventral View- 4.25"- Romeo-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20587.jpg

Possible PreClovis Biface- Distal View- 4.25"- Romeo-Igl

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:10 am

I'm hoping that this thread doesn't get infected with the same old tired religious banter.

Charlies got a large collection of pics here and we should try to stay on topic - for once.

Thanks, Beag. I hate to kill the fun, so maybe we could start a new thread: Biblical Archeology.

I admit I brought up the issue of iron smelting, flute playing and a flood, but I didn't know it would steer the whole thread off topic...so, my bad.

I can copy and paste all the biblically related posts to the new thread, if ya'll are agreeable.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:10 am

Are these new, Charlie?

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:12 am

Are these new, Charlie?

Hey Beag, Good Morning.

Yeah, I found these at subunit Romeo over the last few days.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:15 am

Minimalist wrote:Alexander won the Battle of Issus in 333 and was dead by 323. 10 years.

Still....they all left their mark.

This guy was one of my heros when I was young, probably because he was young with a passion for wine, women and warfare. Left a mark? He stamped greek culture across the face of the world. Today, I see him as a young and petulant adrenaline-junkie who happened to be brilliant.

EDIT: Sorry guys, while i was composing my ode to alexander, you guys were trying to get on topic. I'll stop drifting now.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:15 am

so maybe we could start a new thread: Biblical Archeology.

We had that when Arch was here - it just spread into a shooting war all over the board. I don't know how it would fare now. And someone should check with Michelle since those other religious threads were padlocked.

This stuff gets out of hand so fast.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:18 am

Yeah, I found these at subunit Romeo over the last few days.

Cool Charlie.