Pokotia Monolith

[marduk]

And what was it you posted earlier, quote. 'you don't even know me' unquote.
Pots and kettle, again Stevie, pots and kettles.

so can you link to where I called you a liar Roy

You couldn't prove Anything

.
you're not a good liar Beagle
I'd give it up if I were you

Why don't you post that letter from Hancock, and tell us all how he's an anarchist.

I already linked to the page that its on Beagle
did you miss that
he says quite clearly

"by instinct I'm an anarchist"

that kind of tells me
that hes an anarchist
you on the other hand
just a poor liar
who refuses to face the truth because it means you don't have anything at all

[Beagle]

And what was it you posted earlier, quote. 'you don't even know me' unquote.
Pots and kettle, again Stevie, pots and kettles.

so can you link to where I called you a liar Roy

You couldn't prove Anything

.
you're not a good liar Beagle
I'd give it up if I were you

Why don't you post that letter from Hancock, and tell us all how he's an anarchist.

I already linked to the page that its on Beagle
did you miss that
he says quite clearly

"by instinct I'm an anarchist"

that kind of tells me
that hes an anarchist
you on the other hand
just a poor liar
who refuses to face the truth because it means you don't have anything at all

You need to calm down and take your medication. You're gonna get put in a rubber room.

Now, hurl one more good insult and leave the rest of us alone to post.

[marduk]

the rest of us
you mean you Beagle really don't you
if you can't take the heat.......................

you started this by calling me dishonest
a simple apology would finish it
but I can see how that would be admitting you were wrong
and you're not big enough to do that are you Beagle

[Minimalist]

I told you that you were wasting your time with him.

Anyway, Google Scholar did turn up a hit for Pokotia Monument but it's an abstract only. The good news is that it is a September 2006 date which means that perhaps some actual research is being done.

http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/( ... 1:104736,1

[Beagle]

All right, that did it.

[Digit]

You have to be correct there of course FT. What set me off was some of translations of Egyptian glyphs when I was younger. There seems to more of a concensus on those translations now,but in view of the opposing views that were expressed, I wonder if the accepted is accurate, or is just accepted.
For example, what would you make of this? RMSS.

[Beagle]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/fo ... 9553&st=30

This is page 3 of 4. When done with this page, read the rest.
This is an example of your "honesty" Marduk.

[marduk]

This is page 3 of 4. When done with this page, read the rest.
This is an example of your "honesty" Marduk.

I'm missing the point here
how does what I wrote two years ago make me dishonest
how does that make your calling me dishonest not extremely rude and out of order

but I can see how that would be admitting you were wrong
and you're not big enough to do that are you Beagle

see I told you that you were nothing didn't I


Roy how you doing finding a link to where I called you a liar ?
you know what it makes you if you can't find it right ?


I think I might do a search on Beagles former posting across the net and post all those times where hes made a complete ass of himself
lets face it I could probably get a books worth out of it
only
no one would be interested to buy it because it would be extremely boring and totally pointless

[Beagle]

I think I might do a search on Beagles former posting across the net and post all those times where hes made a complete ass of himself

That's a great idea. Don't come back without it.
Do you realize how many names you've been calling people?
Do you preview your posts?

Do you know that's against forum rules?

[Beagle]

As soon as feasible, I'll see if we can start a new thread, and have an orderly discussion. In the meantime, anybody looking for more info. on the Pokotia Monolith should just google "Pokotia" because it's sometimes called other things.

[marduk]

really
are you going to be actioned for calling me dishonest when I first started posting here
I didn't report that at the time
maybe I should have eh
you have been hurling insults at me for the last three weeks
I have a log of all of them so please feel free to inform anyone you want of my naming you a liar
calling someone a liar is perfectly acceptable when its been proven Beagle
as I just did
you claimed you didn't call people dishonest because they post at the hall of maat
and very clearly you did
truth hurts does it ?
perhaps in future you should try actually using it in that case and not bending it
I'm still waiting for my apology
any chance of that is there ?
whatever credibility you had just evaporated you know
Good to see none of your supposed friends rallying round with their support as well isn't it
guess they know what the truth is when they read it
lol

As soon as feasible, I'll see if we can start a new thread

are you going to lie in that one as well

[Beagle]

I checked with Dr. Winters a wek ago. I wanted to know if he felt that the monolith was genuine.

I've cropped off the top of the letter to remove my personal introduction to him.



[/quote]
> Do you now believe that the Pokotia monument and the
> Fuente Magna are
> genuine, and do you believe they support the
> presence of ancient Sumerians
> in South America?
>
> We would appreciate your answer and are grateful.
>
> Best Regards
> Lee
>
Hi
>From what I have learned about these monuments from
the people who discovered them I believe they must be
authentic.

Clyde Winters

[marduk]

so he didn't answer your question then
you found out what I did
when he first answers questions by internet hes very brief
you have to get to know him quite a while before he answers with any degree of depth
he just says its genuinly a stone monolith from what I can see
the scholarly work cited by google scholar says

In December 2001, the Bolivian archaeological team led by Dr. Bernardo Biados
and Freddy Arce began to make a systematic search through the national museums
of Bolivia in La Paz, photographing and recording inscriptions and artwork on stone
statues and other artifacts.
On December 15, 2001, Biados and his team photographed the inscriptions on
the front side of a stone monolith statue in the Buck Collection housed at the
Museum of Metals (also called the Gold Museum) in La Paz. The statue (Figure 1)
measuring 1.3 meters tall and 0.3 meter wide had been excavated earlier at Pokotia,
a little known pre-Incan archaeological site six kilometers southeast of the more
famous pre-Incan ruins of Tiahuanaco, home of Gate of the Sun. Both sites are just
south of Lake Titicaca and a few kilometers from La Paz (Biados 2002).
On December 18, 2001, Biados and his team turned the statue around, revealing
a graph of patterns on the back side that had not been viewed by the public before.
A rubbing (Figure 2) of the graph of patterns and inscriptions was made and
photographed. Along the right side of the graph are inscriptions, but in the left
column is a “leaning cross,” the shape and angle of Crux, the Southern Cross, as it
appears about 45 degrees above the southeastern horizon after its rising. In the twoblocks to the immediate right of the “leaning cross” are two symbols that could
possibly be depicting the brightening of a star.
On seeing this (and a rougher similar depiction on the front side of the monolith
statue), I looked up Crux, the Southern Cross, on the “Starry Night” computer sky
program (Space Software 2002) to see if a supernova had occurred to the right (west)
of the Southern Cross. There was h Carinae in approximately the right location, just
to the right (west) of the slanting Southern Cross when the Southern Cross is about
45 degrees above the southeastern horizon (see Figure 3).
Would a sudden brightening of an existing star, or the “appearing of a new star,”
be noticed by the early inhabitants of Tiahuanaco and Pokotia? Would the
brightening star be in a significant part of their astronomical sky?

and heres a nice long friendly letter i got from Clyde telling me how to decipher the pokotia inscription into Sumerian using the vrai script which means of course that the pokotia inscription isn't actually in Sumerian but is in fact in another similar but unknown langauge
look beagle I was ahead of you two years ago
how many years ahead am I today I wonder

decades probably
this was back when I was working on deciphering Rongo Rongo using proto sumerian as a key
you probably donmt even know what rongo rongo is do you Beags
got your google handy

Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:19:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: "clyde winters" <olmec982000@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
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Subject: Re: rongo rongo

To: "steven pyatt" <stevenpyatt@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi Steve
I loved your site. The information and graphics
are great.

You are definitely on to something. I have known about
rongo rongo for years but I have never attempted to
decipher the writing because I don't have any
samples of the language spoken by the people who wrote
these documents.
Deciphering this writing without a specimen of
the writing can prove difficult, and prove hard to
support. I was able to decipher Sumerian writing
because Col. Rawlinson, claimed that the Sumerians
came from Africa, and after comparisons of Sumerian
and Mande ( an African language) I had to concur with
his findings.
To decipher Sumerian I use the phonology of the
signs in the Vai writing:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/libyco.htm

Next I read each sign using the Sumerian Language. If
you want to attempt to read the rongo rongo script
using Sumerian, all you have to do is give each rongo
rongo sign a phonemic value based on the Pokotia chart
or the Vai sign list above, and read the
transliterated signs in Sumerian. Most of the ancient
systems of writing were monosyllabic, so there is a
pretty good chance that each sign in rongo rongo
equals a word.

I have believed for years that the authors of
rongo rongo may have been Harappans. The Harappan
signs are almost identical to the rongo rongo writing.
I deciphered the Indus Valley writing over 20 years
ago you can find a grammar and dictionary of the Indus
Valley writing at the following site:

http://us.share.geocities.com/olmec982000/HarWRITE.pdf

If you are interested in following this path to
decipherment you can attempt to use the dictionary at
the above site to read the script in Harappan which
was a Dravidian language. Remember though, that the
paper above takes a long time to load.

If you are interested in the history of writing in
Middle Africa you can check out the following site:

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/anwrite.htm

Good luck
Clyde

[Digit]

Yep I know what it makes me Marduk, somebody who can't be bothered to play your stupid games.
But it was just before Monk disagreed with your comments and you sent the P-Mail denying it. Does that help?

[Beagle]

When we get a little bit down the road on this discussion, I'll bring up the Olmecs as well. There we have East Africa origins.

The Americas, it seems has been visited by Asians, possibly Europeans, Polynesions in Monte Verde, Africans, and now...Sumerians.

That's a lot.

Can't hope to have that until the Marduk problem is taken care of.