A review of the Tomb documentary & Joe Zias's Viewers Gu

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:05 am

http://www.joezias.com/tomb.html

He comments (not on the site above) "Perhaps the only redeeming factor in all of this is that Cameron/Simcha and Co. have somehow united the entire academic community in protest, this is nothing short of a miracle in a world where archaeology is akin sometimes to war"

Joe Zias was the curator for anthropology and archeology at the Rockefeller Museum in Jerusalem from 1972 to 1997 and personally numbered the Talpiot ossuaries.

The review of the documentary is here:
http://str.typepad.com/weblog/2007/03/t ... omb_o.html

I've been away from here as I've moved house and that took a lot of time, and I now commute 4 hours a day so won't be around much until I retire late October.

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:17 am

Thanks Doug.
I don't believe that you'll find any disagreement with that post here.

We have been having a small discussion about Jacobovici in the Oh Christ thread for a while now. Actually we've been watching his "Naked Archaeologist" series thanks to Min. The guy is a joke. Thanks.

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:22 am

Beagle wrote:Thanks Doug.
I don't believe that you'll find any disagreement with that post here.

We have been having a small discussion about Jacobovici in the Oh Christ thread for a while now. Actually we've been watching his "Naked Archaeologist" series thanks to Min. The guy is a joke. Thanks.

A series I don't think I'll take time out to watch now.

You might like this also:

http://www.archaeological.org/webinfo.php?page=10408

Sorry I didn't make the other urls clickable, I forgot I needed to!

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:28 am

Good link. We'll all be interested in it. The Bible discussion part of it I'll leave to others. Thanks again.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:13 am

Hey, Doug....bummer of a commute, man.

Zias makes this point:

but as none of the names have place of origin, they are all Judeans.

However, if you read the gospel of "matthew" (the one written for a Jewish audience) nowhere does it state that Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth. They appear to have lived in Bethlehem from which they fled to Egypt and then returned to Nazareth because Archelaus was reigning in Judea. Just another of those troubling contradictions between gospel accounts that believers ignore!

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:33 pm

This may sound surprising coming from me (for those who know me) but I am not ready to pass judgment on Cameron and Jacobovici just yet. We have glimpsed the evidence to be presented and we have certainly heard the opposition, but we have yet to hear their case in context instead of a collection of snippets and sound bites.

I prefer to wait until they've presented their case. Then I will analyze the info and make a judgment. Let's face it. The burden of proof is on them, not those who say the claims are not true.

p.s. I had a 4 hour commute a day for 8 years. 2 hrs to, 2 hrs from work. In the beginning I didnt mind but then my job got more boring, the cost of fuel increased and I soon began to despise it. good luck Doug.

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:07 pm

I'm with you on that viewpoint Monk.
Same with the commute, when I was somewhat younger than now I lived 96 miles from my office over mainly country roads, and then spent the greater part of my working day behind the wheel as well.
Never again!
Good luck with the retirement Doug, some people are lost without someone to tell them what to do each day, but with a brain and some interests everybody should do it!

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:40 pm

some people are lost without someone to tell them what to do each day

Isn't that what "wives" are for?

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:43 pm

Min, you're a cynic mate!

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:52 pm

No. Just married.

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:56 pm

Forum Monk wrote:This may sound surprising coming from me (for those who know me) but I am not ready to pass judgment on Cameron and Jacobovici just yet. We have glimpsed the evidence to be presented and we have certainly heard the opposition, but we have yet to hear their case in context instead of a collection of snippets and sound bites.

Hi, one of the urls is a review by someone who had an advanced copy.
And there has been a lot of discussion by people either involved in the program or who were involved with the tomb excavation, etc, and also who have looked at the pdf on the Discovery site which gives a lot of the basic evidence.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:01 pm

We have glimpsed the evidence to be presented

If it is anything like The Exodus Decoded it will be long on glitzy production values and short on "evidence."

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:32 pm

DougWeller wrote:Hi, one of the urls is a review by someone who had an advanced copy.
And there has been a lot of discussion by people either involved in the program or who were involved with the tomb excavation, etc, and also who have looked at the pdf on the Discovery site which gives a lot of the basic evidence.

Hi Doug.
I have also seen the many attempts to control the discussion In the Hall of Maat also, by focusing on specifc aspects of the evidence as separate discussions. I tried on several occasions to follow it but was quickly overwhelmed by the speed in which the posts unfolded. I don't know how you kept it straight (if you did).

I glanced at your link to the reviewer who had an advance copy and decided not to read it until later because I didn't want it to sway my point of view which is already leaning toward the negative. I have also looked at the press conference and other evidence presented on Discovery. I have assumed perhaps erroneously, that those who appear on the dias with Jacobovici and Camerson are in fact supporting the claims so I have not reviewed their statements, because I am sure they will be presented in the context of the documentary.

Doug, thanks for the work you have done in giving your peers and the public access to the information. I respect your efforts and, believe me, I will soon be reviewing what you have generously made easily available to us.

DougWeller · Post by **DougWeller** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:31 pm

And thank you, Forum Monk. I also find it difficult to keep up with discussions and I get an email copy of every post! When threads get long they also get hard to load, which I think is offputting. And subthreads get lost, which is why I at least sometimes start new threads on a new aspect of a discussion.

Doug