Europe's 'Little Ice Age' linked to the 'Black Death'?

[Frank Harrist]

The Little Ice Age was a period of some 300 years when Europe experienced a dip in average temperatures

how big was the dip? how much ice was there in europe in this so-called ice-age?

There are many theories as to what caused these bitter years,

why can no one come to a consensus?

believes that the oceans would have compensated for the change

how could the oceans compensate for the change? they are affected by the weather just like anything else.

When people blindly accept easy mythological answers for complex problems they have no one to blame except themselves and the priest-class which encourages them to accept things on faith instead of proof.

faith doesn't stop us from finding proof, it just helps us to know when to stop looking. you love to generalize or use the catholic middle ages as your motivation for your comments but not every religious person who believes the Bible is as inane as you paint them. nor are they as devoidof proof as you would like to believe.

why don't you go and attack the hare krishnas or some other cult as they know less than most christians do and ask even fewer questions, plus look for even fewer answers. your one note hatred has gotten tiresome as it impedes good discussions.

Arch,
Those are stupid and inane questions. Is that all you have left? You make no good arguments in defense of ID or faith of any kind and yet you accuse us of having no evidence. We have tons of evidence. What do you have? Any body can write a book about how he has observed the earth to be and claim he was inspired by god. Then people like you point to this book as proof of some higher power setting it all in motion. That does not constitute proof of any kind. "look around you and see what god has done for us" is a cop out that all good christians use. I've heard it all my life and it still don't hold water. You are done here. You just repeat the same banalities over and over and say nothing. It's like a fart in the wind. You have nothing new to say. We tried to teach you, but you're too stubborn and obtuse to learn. You are dismissed.

[Rokcet Scientist]

You must have never tried getting rid of an obnoxious little scrap of two-sided sticky tape, Frank. It's a bitch!

[Guest]

Those are stupid and inane questions

wow. i ask questions to get information and i am called stupid and inane, such tolerance you show for those who want more knowledge.

Any body can write a book about how he has observed the earth to be and claim he was inspired by god

except if it were false, it would not have made it out of antiquity but cast aside long ago and left for dead.

I've heard it all my life and it still don't hold water

that is becuase you choose to believe something that can't be proven by science at all nor linked together by honest scientific study.

You are done here.

so you are the self-proclaim boss here??

i may say the same things over again but none of you have been able to disprove what i have said except to spout generalities and provide no specifics.

We tried to teach you

you can't teach me as you have nothing in which to present. i have shown your weaknesses and you still attack me and try to remove me because you know you have nothing upon which to stand. instead of wasting your time yelling at me, present your evidence that is logical, concise, observable, & proveable. i point to creation in action yet you dismiss it BUT you can't do the same with evolution. you cannot point to it and say there it is; without manipulation of the facts.

if anyone needs to be dismissed it is you and the evolutionary theory as you cannot even use archaeology to back up your claims. there is nothing that supports your theory in the archaeology evidence without some excuse, unrealistic time frame and a lot of conjecture.

at least RK took me serious enough to provide some information, you on the other hand, want me to take your thoughts based on your word alone and i am afgraid you do not have enough credibility for me to even consider doing that.

[Rokcet Scientist]

[..]at least RK took me serious enough to provide some information, [...]

Yeah, but she's recovered now.

[RK Awl-O'Gist]

she....

[Guest]

hey i appreciate HER efforts all the rest of you have done is avoid the issue and called names. so much for the crediblity of those who refused to answer my questions. at least RK has a good head on her shoulders.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Naaah... just more patience.

[Minimalist]

You must have never tried getting rid of an obnoxious little scrap of two-sided sticky tape, Frank. It's a bitch!

[Frank Harrist]

Those are stupid and inane questions

wow. i ask questions to get information and i am called stupid and inane, such tolerance you show for those who want more knowledge.

Any body can write a book about how he has observed the earth to be and claim he was inspired by god

except if it were false, it would not have made it out of antiquity but cast aside long ago and left for dead.

I've heard it all my life and it still don't hold water

that is becuase you choose to believe something that can't be proven by science at all nor linked together by honest scientific study.

You are done here.

so you are the self-proclaim boss here??

i may say the same things over again but none of you have been able to disprove what i have said except to spout generalities and provide no specifics.

We tried to teach you

you can't teach me as you have nothing in which to present. i have shown your weaknesses and you still attack me and try to remove me because you know you have nothing upon which to stand. instead of wasting your time yelling at me, present your evidence that is logical, concise, observable, & proveable. i point to creation in action yet you dismiss it BUT you can't do the same with evolution. you cannot point to it and say there it is; without manipulation of the facts.

if anyone needs to be dismissed it is you and the evolutionary theory as you cannot even use archaeology to back up your claims. there is nothing that supports your theory in the archaeology evidence without some excuse, unrealistic time frame and a lot of conjecture.

at least RK took me serious enough to provide some information, you on the other hand, want me to take your thoughts based on your word alone and i am afgraid you do not have enough credibility for me to even consider doing that.

You twist my words to make it sound like a personal insult. Tha's your favorite tactic. Ignore the meat of the argument and go after little shit that don't mean anything. I said the questions were stupid and inane, not you. You confessed to that on your own. We have presented enough evidence to fill another bible and you dismiss it because you or someone else wasn't standing there watching it happen. The limits you set are unreasonable and unscientific. You are done here. You are becoming repetitive and dismissive. I don't run this forum. I'm just saying you have nothing more to say that you haven't already said again and again. Where is your proof that the bible is true? Show me some conclusive proof that it's not all bullshit. Something concrete. Something I can point to that says "this means the bible has to be true and indisputible". You can't do that or this whole argument would never have taken place. You have nothing. Nothing! All you do is spew the same old religious bullshit and claim it has been proven. It has gotten very old. I'm tired of wasting my time with you. You're like a tick on a dogs ass. Very annoying.

[Frank Harrist]

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Any body can write a book about how he has observed the earth to be and claim he was inspired by god


"except if it were false, it would not have made it out of antiquity but cast aside long ago and left for dead. "

Like all the other religious texts that still exist? All of them can't be true, but by your standards the fact that they still exist makes them all true. They can't all be true because many of them contradict each other. Longevity doesn't prove anything. Your arguments are vaccuous and empty of meaning. You don't have anything to show as evidence. Nothing! Your words are meaningless.

[Guest]

Like all the other religious texts that still exist

you make a good point but i think you will see that many of those relgious texts went through many,many revisions and changes throughout the years. whereas the Bible, as i pointed out with the silver scrolls, remains the same (excluding some whacked out translations).

We have presented enough evidence to fill another bible and you dismiss it because you or someone else wasn't standing there watching it happen

that is one of the cornerstones of scientific research, is it not?

Where is your proof that the bible is true? Show me some conclusive proof that it's not all bullshit. Something concrete

i have but you ignore it---we see the results of creation everyday, all of life goes according to scripture, compare what you see with both accounts and you will see that you cannot find any of evolution in practice at any time.

I'm tired of wasting my time with you.

then why do you keep responding. it is obvious that you cannot be satisfied with the theory of evolution and you are looking for something.

you will not get proof for every part of the Bible, faith has to be a part ofit for there are things we cannot prove and must be solely taken by faith. there are many things happening today that you can witness, many are outside the scope of this forum.
those that are in the scope of this forum,most of you reject and do not give it a fair hearing.

You twist my words to make it sound like a personal insult

i can call my own questions stupid but you are not at liberty to do that for it does come across as a personal insult and a disrespect of my wantng to know some simple imformation

Nothing! Your words are meaningless

not really, as you still can't disprove one aspect of the Bible but your scientists are always digging up evidence that refers to the Biblical account. i have pointed thisout before,so i think my argument has more meaning than what you offer.

[Rokcet Scientist]

[...] so i think [...]

You did? When was that? I must have blinked.
Please do it again.