Another piece of a very murky picture.WASHINGTON -- Early human-like residents of Europe may have arrived out of Asia, rather than just Africa.
An international team of researchers reports in Monday's online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that Asians appear to have played a larger part in the settlement of Europe than did Africans.
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Hi Digit, that previous discussion was about HS route to Europe during the Out of Africa Theory migration.
This article is about a much earlier human like creature, described as a homind. This would be before any of the Homo genera, of which all are human. More of the article:
This article is about a much earlier human like creature, described as a homind. This would be before any of the Homo genera, of which all are human. More of the article:
This article gives strength to the Multi-Regional Theory. I'm sure there will be more info out in the coming days. I'll keep my eye out.The team led by Maria Martinon-Torres of the National Center for the Investigation of Human Evolution, in Burgos, Spain, reached that conclusion after analyzing more than 5,000 fossil teeth from early hominins, an early form of human predecessors.
After studying ancient teeth from Africa, Asia and Europe, the researchers report that early European populations had more Asian features than African ones.
That conclusion also supports the theory that the development of the genus Homo -- modern humans are Homo sapiens -- occurred both in Africa and Asia.
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Anyone else notice how OOA proponents are always ready to pronounce multiregionalism dead? Somehow, it keeps walking.
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Another report of the same study. This one posted in Archaeologica News, speaks more plainly about the OOA theory.
Another report of the same study. This one posted in Archaeologica News, speaks more plainly about the OOA theory.
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The "Out of Africa" scenario has been underpinned since 1987 by genetic studies based mainly on the rate of mutations in mitochondrial DNA, a cell material inherited from the maternal line of ancestry.
But for this study, European researchers opted to study the tooth fossil record of modern man's ancestors because of their high component of genetic expression.
So it is the physical remains of the teeth versus the "model" of the geneticists?
This one won't be settled soon.
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Muddying the picture is the recent discovery of remains in the Sahara that are not African, but Semetic.
It looks like back in the ice ages, there was a nomadic cattle herding culture that spread from Turkmenistan all the way to Morocco. So, yes, there were people in Europe from Africa, but they werent what we now think of as "Africans".
A more reasonable expectation was, that as the ice age ended, over grazing led to desertification, and people began moving into Anatolia with livestock. And indeed, Alpine, Caucusoid, and Semetic skulls have been found there.
It looks like back in the ice ages, there was a nomadic cattle herding culture that spread from Turkmenistan all the way to Morocco. So, yes, there were people in Europe from Africa, but they werent what we now think of as "Africans".
A more reasonable expectation was, that as the ice age ended, over grazing led to desertification, and people began moving into Anatolia with livestock. And indeed, Alpine, Caucusoid, and Semetic skulls have been found there.
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.
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This is like trying to recreate War and Peace when all you have intact is page 424.
Every time someone finds another word or sentence they are too quick to jump up and say "Aha! Now I understand the whole novel."
No. They don't. We've barely scratched the surface.
Every time someone finds another word or sentence they are too quick to jump up and say "Aha! Now I understand the whole novel."
No. They don't. We've barely scratched the surface.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
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And I'm still waiting for an expert to explain to me why Mdna changes at all, not just that it changes with clockwork regularity.
I was reading sometime back that studies of Chimps showed that such changes are in fact irregular, that being the case there is no way that they can give a timescale.
I was reading sometime back that studies of Chimps showed that such changes are in fact irregular, that being the case there is no way that they can give a timescale.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
I too have doubts about the mutation rate. There usta be some raps about 'accellerated evolution'. I can see that every time the ice came down driving people out of Europe, that the surviving refugees were in smaller, and therefore more inbred, groups.
Which would permit minor changes to evolve into major advantages- such as outlined by Kauffman in "The Origins of Order"- before being washed out in a larger gene pool.
But the ice did this so often, so erratically, that sorting out just when some mutation was added to the mtdna seems impossible. In "The Children of the Ice Age", says that ecological changes isolated hominid groups and notes that the mass herbivores, such as seen in the cave art, have not changed at all in 5 million years cause whatever new mutations that mite show up were simply washed out.
We have an example of this in the Tocharians. Kucha was, at most 30,000 people, some of the more talented found careers as the highest paid call girls in Xian, magicians, astrologers, and even generals. Apparently leaving no trace in the massive Chinese gene pool.
But then, the Chinese found a 12th century woman's body preserved in a mysterious liquid in a water tight casket. Her skin is entirely intact, her limbs are still flexible, like she'd been in a vat of formaldehyde, and she looks entirely Chinese. But she has AB blood. That too was preserved still in her veins. But The Chinese dont *have* AB blood. Thats Aryan according to my medical transcriptionist source.
Its pretty obvious to me that this whole "out of Africa" thing is a politically correct, and possibly useful, effort to throw a crumb to those of African extraction. i dont doubt some of my own dna comes from Africa. But in the effort to understand as much as I can about my own descent and the evolution of the hominds in general, I need a wider view with more sources to explain the deviations, the sheer number of haplotypes.
Which would permit minor changes to evolve into major advantages- such as outlined by Kauffman in "The Origins of Order"- before being washed out in a larger gene pool.
But the ice did this so often, so erratically, that sorting out just when some mutation was added to the mtdna seems impossible. In "The Children of the Ice Age", says that ecological changes isolated hominid groups and notes that the mass herbivores, such as seen in the cave art, have not changed at all in 5 million years cause whatever new mutations that mite show up were simply washed out.
We have an example of this in the Tocharians. Kucha was, at most 30,000 people, some of the more talented found careers as the highest paid call girls in Xian, magicians, astrologers, and even generals. Apparently leaving no trace in the massive Chinese gene pool.
But then, the Chinese found a 12th century woman's body preserved in a mysterious liquid in a water tight casket. Her skin is entirely intact, her limbs are still flexible, like she'd been in a vat of formaldehyde, and she looks entirely Chinese. But she has AB blood. That too was preserved still in her veins. But The Chinese dont *have* AB blood. Thats Aryan according to my medical transcriptionist source.
Its pretty obvious to me that this whole "out of Africa" thing is a politically correct, and possibly useful, effort to throw a crumb to those of African extraction. i dont doubt some of my own dna comes from Africa. But in the effort to understand as much as I can about my own descent and the evolution of the hominds in general, I need a wider view with more sources to explain the deviations, the sheer number of haplotypes.
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.