Global warming.
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http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html
Folks, check this out. This seems pretty far out but I don't have the requisite knowledge about astronomy to render an opinion. It sure is interesting though.It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc.
This grand turning is possibly the root cause for the discontinuation of the Mayan calendar (the most accurate on the planet) because the 'read-point' of the Pleiades star cluster, which many believe the calendar was based upon, can no longer be a constant as we begin to steer away from the earlier predictable movements.
If energy levels in the local cosmos increase Beag, those energy particles passing through, or being captured by a planet's magnetic field, must raise the planet's energy levels and presumbly result in that planet's temperature being raised.
Same as with a classical dynamo scenario, but whether the climate 'Green Machine' could ever accept anything other than 'man the destroyer' I doubt.
If they can't protest over CO2 for example they will have to find something else to complain about.
Same as with a classical dynamo scenario, but whether the climate 'Green Machine' could ever accept anything other than 'man the destroyer' I doubt.
If they can't protest over CO2 for example they will have to find something else to complain about.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
The killer part of the article, which in a perfect world would shut the Al Gores up, is the effect on the other planets.
Some of them are too far from the sun for a small increase in solar radiation to have a significant effect and our CO2 levels none what so ever!
I'd always assumed that the angular displacement of the Milky Way relative to the ecliptic was simply some form of drift by our system, the amount of energy necessary to 'lever' it around could only come from something enormously massive.
Some of them are too far from the sun for a small increase in solar radiation to have a significant effect and our CO2 levels none what so ever!
I'd always assumed that the angular displacement of the Milky Way relative to the ecliptic was simply some form of drift by our system, the amount of energy necessary to 'lever' it around could only come from something enormously massive.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
And the Maya knew this?
Never under estimate the power of observation, coupled with record keeping, coupled with long periods of time.
I read on that Iranian News Agency web site that, in spite of everything that has happened there in the last 5000 years, there is still a group in Iran that are taking star sighting and writing them down in the same method as the Babylon priesthood did. They consider it the longest running scientific experiment on earth.
Of course, this brings up the question of Maya access to those Babylon priesthood records.
Never under estimate the power of observation, coupled with record keeping, coupled with long periods of time.
I read on that Iranian News Agency web site that, in spite of everything that has happened there in the last 5000 years, there is still a group in Iran that are taking star sighting and writing them down in the same method as the Babylon priesthood did. They consider it the longest running scientific experiment on earth.
Of course, this brings up the question of Maya access to those Babylon priesthood records.
Comological questions aside, the Greenland ice core shows global warming has been going on for 10,000 years. It was the stabilization of the warmer climate that enabled agriculture to get going.
And whether human activity is making it worse or not, humans are not now going to stop it. Even if all hominid sources of green house gasses quit, inertial effects would continue for 50 years, which would be long enuf to starve out most of the 6 billion hominids.
The question is not what to do about global warming, but what to do about agriculture. Course, urbanites can see the smog, so that's what they think about. But along with the arctic ice melting, is a longer frost free season in the far north.
Farmers are already moving equipment into Siberia and the Yukon. Last year, the potato & rye crop did pretty well in the Yukon, in ground that has been permaforst for uncounted millennia. Talk about fertile organic soil!
At the current rate, the corn belt will move north so far and so fast that the available acreage will easily quadruple. The competitive edge in the global market enjoyed by American agribusiness will see much stiffer competition, and this will dramatically reduce profits on the agricultural exports that have so far, given so much support to the dollar.
I dunno whether Al Gore is right or not, but clearly his critics need to think about how they will manage to run an economy on gasoline that costs 20$/gallon.
China is already exporting agricultural workers into Eastern Siberia, and they are vastly more competent with veggies and field crops than what the US gets from Latin America. If Russia received 20 million immigrants from the south, or even 100, they'd look at the industriousness and entrepreneurialism going on in Eastern Siberia and laff all the way to the bank. They already have enuf oil to run their economies and plenty of boots to put on the ground if they want to go into Persia to seize the rest of it.
All this, of course, assumes that the climate effects on the crops in Asia and North America are manageable. There's reason for doubt. One thing many of us will agree on, is that whatever the computer models say, they are wrong. They cant even predict the weather next month.
The other thing they cant predict are the adaptations other life forms like fungi and insect pests will have, whose evolultion is accellerated by rapid shifts in weather patterns. The social disruption in Europe by an outbreak of ergot in the middle ages being a documented example.
And whether human activity is making it worse or not, humans are not now going to stop it. Even if all hominid sources of green house gasses quit, inertial effects would continue for 50 years, which would be long enuf to starve out most of the 6 billion hominids.
The question is not what to do about global warming, but what to do about agriculture. Course, urbanites can see the smog, so that's what they think about. But along with the arctic ice melting, is a longer frost free season in the far north.
Farmers are already moving equipment into Siberia and the Yukon. Last year, the potato & rye crop did pretty well in the Yukon, in ground that has been permaforst for uncounted millennia. Talk about fertile organic soil!
At the current rate, the corn belt will move north so far and so fast that the available acreage will easily quadruple. The competitive edge in the global market enjoyed by American agribusiness will see much stiffer competition, and this will dramatically reduce profits on the agricultural exports that have so far, given so much support to the dollar.
I dunno whether Al Gore is right or not, but clearly his critics need to think about how they will manage to run an economy on gasoline that costs 20$/gallon.
China is already exporting agricultural workers into Eastern Siberia, and they are vastly more competent with veggies and field crops than what the US gets from Latin America. If Russia received 20 million immigrants from the south, or even 100, they'd look at the industriousness and entrepreneurialism going on in Eastern Siberia and laff all the way to the bank. They already have enuf oil to run their economies and plenty of boots to put on the ground if they want to go into Persia to seize the rest of it.
All this, of course, assumes that the climate effects on the crops in Asia and North America are manageable. There's reason for doubt. One thing many of us will agree on, is that whatever the computer models say, they are wrong. They cant even predict the weather next month.
The other thing they cant predict are the adaptations other life forms like fungi and insect pests will have, whose evolultion is accellerated by rapid shifts in weather patterns. The social disruption in Europe by an outbreak of ergot in the middle ages being a documented example.
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.
Todays Sun newspaper, can't find a link.
Dr Toby Tyrrell of the National oceanography centre in Southampton believes that the current global warming could hold off the next ice age.
He also says that the Earth did not always recover from ecological disasters???
As I commented earlier, we may yet be grateful for all the CO2 we can get, and DB seems to support me in saying that we need to spend more time thinking about how we are going to LIVE with global warming rather than how to prevent it.
Dr Toby Tyrrell of the National oceanography centre in Southampton believes that the current global warming could hold off the next ice age.
He also says that the Earth did not always recover from ecological disasters???
As I commented earlier, we may yet be grateful for all the CO2 we can get, and DB seems to support me in saying that we need to spend more time thinking about how we are going to LIVE with global warming rather than how to prevent it.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
"Farmers are already moving equipment into Siberia and the Yukon. Last year, the potato & rye crop did pretty well in the Yukon, in ground that has been permaforst for uncounted millennia. Talk about fertile organic soil!"
I should probably mention here that I have land to sell.
The extensive Yukon and Kuskokwim deltas will be underwater if sea levels elevate much more. Some of the coastal communities are already relocating to avoid erosion and sanitation problems. If you invest in AK farmland, look towards the mountains!
Seriously, the potatoes, radishes, cabbage etc. raised here have always been plentiful and massive. 75 lb cabbage. Radishes as big as your fist ... 20hr+ summertime sunshine helps.
I should probably mention here that I have land to sell.
The extensive Yukon and Kuskokwim deltas will be underwater if sea levels elevate much more. Some of the coastal communities are already relocating to avoid erosion and sanitation problems. If you invest in AK farmland, look towards the mountains!
Seriously, the potatoes, radishes, cabbage etc. raised here have always been plentiful and massive. 75 lb cabbage. Radishes as big as your fist ... 20hr+ summertime sunshine helps.
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A 75lb cabbage?
I think I worked for one of those.
I think I worked for one of those.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin
Along with the rise in sea level, and the flooding of the deltas mentioned, will come, not only the arctic ice melting, but remarkably warmer water temps, such as already recorded in Hudson bay.
Northern Canada, which already has lotsa lakes will see a much more moderate transition from summer to winter as all this thermal heat staves off the frost and thereby extends the growing season by several weeks.
The real trick will be finding the right varieties that can tap the nutrients that have been locked in permafrost, take advantage of the long daylength mentioned, and mature in whatever the season length is.
The loss of heritage lines because of agribusiness focus on only the most near term profitability makes that endeavor more difficult. I worry as well that as the permafrost melts, fungi and bacteria that have not been seen in, literally ages, will re-emerge into a set of flora that have not felt the like, and whatever vestigal resistance they once had has been bred out.
I'm reminded of the Chinese glyph for 'opportunity' which includes the glyph for 'danger'. Hominids moved further into the jungle in the last century, and brought back HIV. What else is out there locked up in the ice?
Did anyone look at the bacteria that came out with the Zarkov mammoth?
People with hair driers on the remains speak of the mammoth smell. You couldnt get me to go in there without a haz mat suit. They have no idea what killed it. Hello?
Are there unfamiliar antibodies in Utzi's blood? Hello again?
Northern Canada, which already has lotsa lakes will see a much more moderate transition from summer to winter as all this thermal heat staves off the frost and thereby extends the growing season by several weeks.
The real trick will be finding the right varieties that can tap the nutrients that have been locked in permafrost, take advantage of the long daylength mentioned, and mature in whatever the season length is.
The loss of heritage lines because of agribusiness focus on only the most near term profitability makes that endeavor more difficult. I worry as well that as the permafrost melts, fungi and bacteria that have not been seen in, literally ages, will re-emerge into a set of flora that have not felt the like, and whatever vestigal resistance they once had has been bred out.
I'm reminded of the Chinese glyph for 'opportunity' which includes the glyph for 'danger'. Hominids moved further into the jungle in the last century, and brought back HIV. What else is out there locked up in the ice?
Did anyone look at the bacteria that came out with the Zarkov mammoth?
People with hair driers on the remains speak of the mammoth smell. You couldnt get me to go in there without a haz mat suit. They have no idea what killed it. Hello?
Are there unfamiliar antibodies in Utzi's blood? Hello again?
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.