The bright side is that the human species is the most adaptable one on the planet.
We live from north of the Artic Circle to the Equator, at all the heights and lows, all the temps and humidity’s, jungles and deserts in between.
Polar Bears may not make it, but Eskimo’s will.
With all we have been talking about on other threads, a few feet of sea level change, if it happens, is not going to be that big a deal in the long run.
We have “Been there, done that.”
Global warming.
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[quote="kbs2244"]The bright side is that the human species is the most adaptable one on the planet.
We live from north of the Artic Circle to the Equator, at all the heights and lows, all the temps and humidity’s, jungles and deserts in between.
Polar Bears may not make it, but Eskimo’s will.
With all we have been talking about on other threads, a few feet of sea level change, if it happens, is not going to be that big a deal in the long run.
We have “Been there, done that.”[/quo
Huh?
Excuse me?
Cockroaches, sharks, horseshoe crabs, and
Equisetum, just to name a few of many.
And........ Keith Richards is definitely a possibility!
Homo s. is at present a pimple on the butt
of Terra,
and has no special qualities to guarantee either extended survival
or extended warranty as guaranteed by various flavors of religion.
john
We live from north of the Artic Circle to the Equator, at all the heights and lows, all the temps and humidity’s, jungles and deserts in between.
Polar Bears may not make it, but Eskimo’s will.
With all we have been talking about on other threads, a few feet of sea level change, if it happens, is not going to be that big a deal in the long run.
We have “Been there, done that.”[/quo
Huh?
Excuse me?
Cockroaches, sharks, horseshoe crabs, and
Equisetum, just to name a few of many.
And........ Keith Richards is definitely a possibility!
Homo s. is at present a pimple on the butt
of Terra,
and has no special qualities to guarantee either extended survival
or extended warranty as guaranteed by various flavors of religion.
john
"Man is a marvellous curiosity. When he is at his very, very best he is sort of a low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm."
Mark Twain
Mark Twain
Cockroaches: Anywhere man goes. But only because man took them there and they live in the man made shelters in extreme climates. They are parasites and cannot live without a host in extreme climates.
Sharks: True nomads. They can and do go anywhere. But they do not “settle” anywhere. They do not adapt to a local climates. Have they been spotted it the Artic Ocean?
Horseshoe crabs: I am not aware of any in a true cold water environment. The Japan coast is the coldest water I could find them common. I doubt an Eskimo would find one on the beach.
Equisetum: Plants don’t count.
And Keith is the ultimate example of my argument. Anybody that can go through a whole body blood transfusion, just to make a for a few million dollars, is pretty adaptable.
And, though some may argue the point, I count him as a human.
Sharks: True nomads. They can and do go anywhere. But they do not “settle” anywhere. They do not adapt to a local climates. Have they been spotted it the Artic Ocean?
Horseshoe crabs: I am not aware of any in a true cold water environment. The Japan coast is the coldest water I could find them common. I doubt an Eskimo would find one on the beach.
Equisetum: Plants don’t count.
And Keith is the ultimate example of my argument. Anybody that can go through a whole body blood transfusion, just to make a for a few million dollars, is pretty adaptable.
And, though some may argue the point, I count him as a human.
Somebody go wake up Al.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7101397.stm
From the story:
Glaciers growing
The mild and wet summer has also helped snow levels at high altitude.
In the Swiss resort of Saas Fee, high snowfall meant the glacier stopped shrinking at its top this summer.
Last month I climbed the Allalinhorn mountain, 4,027m (13,212ft), and saw for myself where the glacier had actually grown in places.
The respected Swiss mountain guide Beat Supersaxo took me to the summit.
This summer was a great improvement on recent years as the high levels of precipitation meant we had more snow than normal and it was cold so the level of retreat certainly slowed considerably," he said.
"It will, however, need much more snow and colder temperatures to halt the retreat low down."
The phenomenon was not confined to Switzerland.
Western Europe's highest mountain, Mont Blanc, actually grew last summer as the glacier on its summit got thicker.
It now stands 2m taller at 4,810m (15781ft). The volume of ice has doubled since 2005 to reach 24,100 cubic metres.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7101397.stm
From the story:
Glaciers growing
The mild and wet summer has also helped snow levels at high altitude.
In the Swiss resort of Saas Fee, high snowfall meant the glacier stopped shrinking at its top this summer.
Last month I climbed the Allalinhorn mountain, 4,027m (13,212ft), and saw for myself where the glacier had actually grown in places.
The respected Swiss mountain guide Beat Supersaxo took me to the summit.
This summer was a great improvement on recent years as the high levels of precipitation meant we had more snow than normal and it was cold so the level of retreat certainly slowed considerably," he said.
"It will, however, need much more snow and colder temperatures to halt the retreat low down."
The phenomenon was not confined to Switzerland.
Western Europe's highest mountain, Mont Blanc, actually grew last summer as the glacier on its summit got thicker.
It now stands 2m taller at 4,810m (15781ft). The volume of ice has doubled since 2005 to reach 24,100 cubic metres.
Global Warming
The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact. The period known as the Holocene Maximum is a good example. Appropriately named since it was the hottest period in human history. This period occurred approximately 7,500 to 4,000 years BP -- long before humans invented industrial pollution.
Source: J. T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge UniversityPress, Cambridge, 1990.
We appear to be emerging from the Little Ice Age in addition to our attempts at warming up the planet. How much of the warming is due to our efforts versus a natural cycle is simply unknown at this time.
Source: ibid.
Source: J. T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge UniversityPress, Cambridge, 1990.
We appear to be emerging from the Little Ice Age in addition to our attempts at warming up the planet. How much of the warming is due to our efforts versus a natural cycle is simply unknown at this time.
Source: ibid.
Natural selection favors the paranoid
Agreed Cog, but unfortunately it is supported by those who prefer talking to learning.The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact.
According to todays Express paper Paul McCartney's idiot missus has just discovered that bovine's wind causes more greenhouse gas than transport.
Her solution? Rat's milk!
How the hell do you milk a Rat? And would a few billion extra Rats produce any less wind than the cattle do?
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
Meanwhile, half a world away....
Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Ski resorts bank on snowy winter
By Kirsten Grind
Special to The Seattle Times
Washington's ski areas could be in for a much-needed winter treat this year compliments of Mother Nature: a La Niña chill.
The weather phenomenon linked to ocean temperatures typically means colder, snowier winters in the Cascades, which could translate to a revenue-boosting season for local ski resorts.
It couldn't come at a better time.
Two seasons have passed since the ski areas saw a nearly 75 percent drop in visitors during the 2004-05 season, when warm weather and a lack of snow hurt local resorts that are still slowly recovering.
Some are finishing construction projects that were delayed because of the bad season.
And they're turning their focus to another potential market: Canadian skiers who are looking to take advantage of their dollar's unusually strong value in relation to the U.S. dollar.
"It has really taken this long to wipe the bad taste out of our mouth and get our feet firmly planted on the ground," said Tiana Enger, spokeswoman for Crystal Mountain, Washington's largest ski resort.
During the 2004-05 season, Washington's 12 ski resorts saw the number of visitors plummet to a total 491,537 from about 1.8 million the previous year.
The next season, resorts saw plenty of snow and rebounded with a bang, posting a total visitor increase of 335 percent, according to the Pacific Northwest Ski Areas Association, a nonprofit that tracks attendance figures in Washington, Alaska, Idaho and Oregon.
But last year, attendance dropped 9 percent in Washington, and the ski season is off to a slow start this year.
Thanks to new snow-making equipment, Wenatchee's Mission Ridge ski area is opening Friday. But a lack of snow means most Washington resorts have missed out on the traditional Thanksgiving opening.
But a few good storms can quickly fill ski resorts with snow and skiers.
The privately owned resorts generally don't release revenue figures. Weekend day passes range from $39 to $58, with season passes ranging from $419 to more than $1,000.
This year, resorts are banking on improvements to attract visitors.
Crystal Mountain, which saw a 17.5 percent decrease in skiers last season, spent the summer installing a new chair lift. The $3.5 million project will open up about 1,000 new acres of what was previously back-country skiing.
Installation of the new lift was scheduled to begin in the summer of 2005 but was delayed because of the sharp drop in revenues during the season.
Now the resort, owned by Michigan-based Boyne USA Resorts, hopes the added lift will renew interest. It brings the resort's total lifts to 10, not including a children's run.
The new lift is scheduled to open by mid-December. "We're still putting finishing touches on it," said Enger.
Boyne USA Resorts in September took over management for The Summit at Snoqualmie from Booth Creek Ski Holdings.
CNL Income Properties, a Florida-based investment trust is still the owner after purchasing the resort for $35 million earlier this year.
Now under the same management as Crystal, The Summit at Snoqualmie is offering a new season pass for $499 that will allow users to ski five days at Crystal in addition to their Summit access.
They'll also get 10 ski days at other Boyne resorts across the country. A regular adult season pass is $419.
The pass will hopefully boost interest at all of Boyne's resorts, said Holly Lippert, communications manager for The Summit at Snoqualmie.
"We're trying to show our pass holders that we'll take care of them no matter what Mother Nature throws our way," said Lippert.
While local resorts are typically a big draw for Seattle-area skiers, the new market is north of the border, where the Canadian dollar is making American travel more feasible.
Crystal and Snoqualmie aren't marketing directly to Canada, but "we definitely have our eye on it," said Enger of Crystal Mountain.
The Washington resorts don't try to compete with the high-end ski areas like Whistler Mountain near Vancouver, B.C., but they can attract skiers who want more of a mom-and-pop-style ski experience.
"We'll never have the glitz and glam and the nightlife that some of the bigger resorts have," said Enger.
Canadian shoppers are also on the radar for Tracy Gibbons, the new president and chief operating officer of Dual Sports, which operates Sturtevant's ski and snowboard store in Bellevue. Gibbons took over as president this month, when Duncan and Janet Campbell announced their retirement after 30 years of ownership.
"We certainly expect that we'll start to feel some of the impact," of Canadian customers, said Gibbons.
The store, which doesn't release revenue figures, saw about a 35 percent drop in sales as a result of the 2004-05 season, but has since pulled back up in part because of the closures of rivals such as Issaquah-based Ski & Bike and Seattle-based Fiorini Sports, Gibbons said.
Gibbons also expects local customers who often head to Whistler and other Canadian resorts to get sticker shock when they the U.S. dollar discount has disappeared.
"What used to be a 30 percent savings will be gone," said Gibbons.
That's good news for local resorts, which could see more visitors as skiers save money and stay close to home.
They just need snow. Meteorologist Brad Coleman of the National Weather Service in Seattle said there's a good chance La Niña could produce a cold, snowy winter in the Cascades in what appears to be a long-term warming trend.
"The odds are in their favor of doing well this winter," he said.
Copyright © 2007 The Seattle Times Company
Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Ski resorts bank on snowy winter
By Kirsten Grind
Special to The Seattle Times
Washington's ski areas could be in for a much-needed winter treat this year compliments of Mother Nature: a La Niña chill.
The weather phenomenon linked to ocean temperatures typically means colder, snowier winters in the Cascades, which could translate to a revenue-boosting season for local ski resorts.
It couldn't come at a better time.
Two seasons have passed since the ski areas saw a nearly 75 percent drop in visitors during the 2004-05 season, when warm weather and a lack of snow hurt local resorts that are still slowly recovering.
Some are finishing construction projects that were delayed because of the bad season.
And they're turning their focus to another potential market: Canadian skiers who are looking to take advantage of their dollar's unusually strong value in relation to the U.S. dollar.
"It has really taken this long to wipe the bad taste out of our mouth and get our feet firmly planted on the ground," said Tiana Enger, spokeswoman for Crystal Mountain, Washington's largest ski resort.
During the 2004-05 season, Washington's 12 ski resorts saw the number of visitors plummet to a total 491,537 from about 1.8 million the previous year.
The next season, resorts saw plenty of snow and rebounded with a bang, posting a total visitor increase of 335 percent, according to the Pacific Northwest Ski Areas Association, a nonprofit that tracks attendance figures in Washington, Alaska, Idaho and Oregon.
But last year, attendance dropped 9 percent in Washington, and the ski season is off to a slow start this year.
Thanks to new snow-making equipment, Wenatchee's Mission Ridge ski area is opening Friday. But a lack of snow means most Washington resorts have missed out on the traditional Thanksgiving opening.
But a few good storms can quickly fill ski resorts with snow and skiers.
The privately owned resorts generally don't release revenue figures. Weekend day passes range from $39 to $58, with season passes ranging from $419 to more than $1,000.
This year, resorts are banking on improvements to attract visitors.
Crystal Mountain, which saw a 17.5 percent decrease in skiers last season, spent the summer installing a new chair lift. The $3.5 million project will open up about 1,000 new acres of what was previously back-country skiing.
Installation of the new lift was scheduled to begin in the summer of 2005 but was delayed because of the sharp drop in revenues during the season.
Now the resort, owned by Michigan-based Boyne USA Resorts, hopes the added lift will renew interest. It brings the resort's total lifts to 10, not including a children's run.
The new lift is scheduled to open by mid-December. "We're still putting finishing touches on it," said Enger.
Boyne USA Resorts in September took over management for The Summit at Snoqualmie from Booth Creek Ski Holdings.
CNL Income Properties, a Florida-based investment trust is still the owner after purchasing the resort for $35 million earlier this year.
Now under the same management as Crystal, The Summit at Snoqualmie is offering a new season pass for $499 that will allow users to ski five days at Crystal in addition to their Summit access.
They'll also get 10 ski days at other Boyne resorts across the country. A regular adult season pass is $419.
The pass will hopefully boost interest at all of Boyne's resorts, said Holly Lippert, communications manager for The Summit at Snoqualmie.
"We're trying to show our pass holders that we'll take care of them no matter what Mother Nature throws our way," said Lippert.
While local resorts are typically a big draw for Seattle-area skiers, the new market is north of the border, where the Canadian dollar is making American travel more feasible.
Crystal and Snoqualmie aren't marketing directly to Canada, but "we definitely have our eye on it," said Enger of Crystal Mountain.
The Washington resorts don't try to compete with the high-end ski areas like Whistler Mountain near Vancouver, B.C., but they can attract skiers who want more of a mom-and-pop-style ski experience.
"We'll never have the glitz and glam and the nightlife that some of the bigger resorts have," said Enger.
Canadian shoppers are also on the radar for Tracy Gibbons, the new president and chief operating officer of Dual Sports, which operates Sturtevant's ski and snowboard store in Bellevue. Gibbons took over as president this month, when Duncan and Janet Campbell announced their retirement after 30 years of ownership.
"We certainly expect that we'll start to feel some of the impact," of Canadian customers, said Gibbons.
The store, which doesn't release revenue figures, saw about a 35 percent drop in sales as a result of the 2004-05 season, but has since pulled back up in part because of the closures of rivals such as Issaquah-based Ski & Bike and Seattle-based Fiorini Sports, Gibbons said.
Gibbons also expects local customers who often head to Whistler and other Canadian resorts to get sticker shock when they the U.S. dollar discount has disappeared.
"What used to be a 30 percent savings will be gone," said Gibbons.
That's good news for local resorts, which could see more visitors as skiers save money and stay close to home.
They just need snow. Meteorologist Brad Coleman of the National Weather Service in Seattle said there's a good chance La Niña could produce a cold, snowy winter in the Cascades in what appears to be a long-term warming trend.
"The odds are in their favor of doing well this winter," he said.
Copyright © 2007 The Seattle Times Company
It's the continued existence of people like that, and the day I've had, and whoever decided that my part of London is "happening" and therefore we need 20 estate agents offices on the high street in order to enable (incoming!) another 40,000 f****** web-site designers from f****** Leicester to move into the area with their 4WDs and churn out f****** tofu-scoffing kids with names like Toby and Jessica and jack the prices of everything up so that I end up having to pay so much rent in order to carry on living where I've been these past 15 years that I can barely afford to treat myself to a bloody kebab every once in a while...Digit wrote:According to todays Express paper Paul McCartney's idiot missus has just discovered that bovine's wind causes more greenhouse gas than transport.
Her solution? Rat's milk!
How the hell do you milk a Rat? And would a few billion extra Rats produce any less wind than the cattle do?
(pauses for breath)
...that makes me lament the fact that global warming (irrespective of cause) isn't happening FAST enough for my liking. I say we start feeding those cows baked beans.
Sorry everyone. Rough day. Please continue.
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I don't know that the issue is are humans "causing" global warming so much as are we making it "worse."
I doubt that there is much doubt that we are adding to it. The thing is that it is not only SUVs that add to the problem but 5 billion people in Asia/Africa/South America with cooking fires going every day, accelerating de-forestation, and slash and burn agricultural practices. Five billion people doing anything will have an impact.
I doubt that there is much doubt that we are adding to it. The thing is that it is not only SUVs that add to the problem but 5 billion people in Asia/Africa/South America with cooking fires going every day, accelerating de-forestation, and slash and burn agricultural practices. Five billion people doing anything will have an impact.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
-- George Carlin
-- George Carlin
And at the end of the last GM there were a few million of us and BILLIONS of herbivores Min, all breaking wind like there was no tomorrow.Five billion people doing anything will have an impact.
Now we know how the last ice age ended.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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