Syro-Palestinian Archaeology

[rich]

Basically the same direction I was tip toeing about - the idea that all religions - or at least a majority of them (including our present day ones) have derived from a more ancient record of some sort. As I pointed at in another post on the other forum that Beags had started (A Forgotten World), they may have stemmed from an ancient map handed down from a previous civilization (possibly and most likely sea faring peoples).
What I've been toying with in the Bible is that they were warned not to look at the "images" of the Earth in a religious way (in other words no to use the tree of knowledge of good and evil). The images on the map show Gaea, Medusa, Atlas, Prometheus, Zeus, Athena, and so forth. Those gods or deities were also variations from other gods of previous civilizations. Probably a whole array more depending on the level of map preciseness.
Don,t get me wrong - I don't want to rule out any religious beliefs people may have - just trying to see if it could have been a different aspect instead and maybe they tried to warn of this.
Of course the possibilities are endless - maybe they came from outer space and saw the "images" on the earth. Or maybe Viracocha did come from space and gave us a map of the earth. Or maybe there was a Yahweh that slew the other gods and cast them down into the earth. Or maybe the images are the angels that were cast down to the earth - the giants mentioned that were in the earth in those days. Or maybe there was a giant ice ring like with Saturn that allowed the ancients to see the reflections of the earth's surface on it at night. (It would account for less water on the face of the earth which would in turn allow for better navigation arround the planet and also account for stories of a great flood when it collapsed).
Point is - I'm toying with that idea and as far fetched as it may be - it may have some merit.

[Forum Monk]

[Ishtar]

Well, I want to stay just this side of going all GHMB. But what is this map, Rich and Beags?

In my experience, though, gods (spirits) don't (can't) slay each other, partly because they don't have bodies and partly because they're already 'dead'. Energy cannot kill itself or each other - it's man who does that. Cosmic battles between the gods in mythology are usually astrological allegories to do with one age superceding another due to the precession of the equinoxes. It's about positive and negative charges within electromagnetic energy, usually depicted by demons and devas either side of a mill and churning or grinding.

Yahweh is a later Canaanite development of the god Yahwah in the Indian Rig-veda. Thus he is a spirit from the shamanic era - and a much more benevolent entity than how the Jews portrayed him, who used him as their hit man.

Myth is not history, Rich - it's truer than that.

[rich]

Ish - Beags had started a post on the everything else forum and I had posted some links in there to some topograpical ocean maps. The topic was A Forgotten World. Please don't blame Beags for my flakiness

But as far as the myths - not disputing what you were saying Ish. Just trying to come up with a little better understanding of what drove the inroads to the religions and such. I really would love to get into a discussion with you about it, but don't really think this is the proper place to do it.

'Sides - I wouldn't want to affect your ways - you do good at what you do. And neither would I want to infect any one elses. No reason to. We all do as we can and that is good in and of itself. It's what being human is all about.

[Ishtar]

You're not likely to 'infect my ways', Rich! Many have tried, in the past, and none have succeeded.

My ways are rooted in my own experiences and not in any belief system.

[Ishtar]

The stories of cosmic battles (aka Enoch and the Fallen Angels) are only later developments of a metaphor for the push and pull of electromagnetic energy, as mentioned in my last post. It is usually depicted as both sides, light and dark, positive and negative, creating a reality by churning or grinding at a mill:


Here is an Egyptian version, showing Horus and the demon Seth, grinding at the mill.



And this is the Vedic version, showing the demons on one side and the devas on the other, using a serpent to churn the ocean of milk.



And here is the Maya version of the same story, from the Maya Codex:

[Cognito]

Many have tried, in the past, and none have succeeded.

Rich, there is nothing more challenging in life than a headstrong blonde babe!

[Ishtar]

Thanks Cogs. I take that as a compliment!

Rich, if you look at the relevant Enoch stories, you'll see that he first of all talks about the people as bulls, and there are a few sheep around. Then there is this cosmic battle, the one you're talking about, and after that, the sheep prevail and the bulls have disappeared.

This is a metaphor for the passing of the age of Taurus into the age of Aries, due to the precession of the equinoxes. It's not about a real battle.

[Minimalist]

Yahweh is a later Canaanite development of the god Yahwah in the Indian Rig-veda. Thus he is a spirit from the shamanic era - and a much more benevolent entity than how the Jews portrayed him, who used him as their hit man.

But, of course, 'spirits' are no more real than 'gods.'

[Minimalist]

The Oded Golan trial drags on.....


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/974483.html

The testimony submitted in an interrogation conducted by the Egyptians and in which he confessed to many of the crimes, has already been cited in the Jerusalem District Court, where the case is being heard by Judge Aharon Farkash. Nevertheless, says an IAA official, "we're very interested in bringing him to Israel, so that the man who by his own admission forged the antiquities for Golan, will say so formally in court."

Ghatas himself spoke openly about the artifacts he manufactured with reporter Bob Simon, on the CBS-TV news program "60 Minutes." And authorities here say they have assured him that if he comes to testify, he will not be arrested.

[Ishtar]

Yahweh is a later Canaanite development of the god Yahwah in the Indian Rig-veda. Thus he is a spirit from the shamanic era - and a much more benevolent entity than how the Jews portrayed him, who used him as their hit man.

But, of course, 'spirits' are no more real than 'gods.'

One day, my dearest Min, you are going to get the most beautiful surprise!

I am already on the waiting list to be a fly on the wall at that time.

[Ishtar]

And authorities here say they have assured him that if he comes to testify, he will not be arrested.

Yeah...that's what they said to Jesus.

[Minimalist]

Yahweh is a later Canaanite development of the god Yahwah in the Indian Rig-veda. Thus he is a spirit from the shamanic era - and a much more benevolent entity than how the Jews portrayed him, who used him as their hit man.

But, of course, 'spirits' are no more real than 'gods.'

One day, my dearest Min, you are going to get the most beautiful surprise!

I am already on the waiting list to be a fly on the wall at that time.

Read my sig, Ish. Mencken is right on the money.

[Ishtar]

I'm sure you're right, Min. I'll shut up now and never mention spirits again.

[Minimalist]

Well....except the bottled kind!!!!!