I do not know the rules about posting the same missive on two topic sites here but there are a couple of topic sites discussing Pre-Clovis, so I will post these at both of them;
1) The discovery of seaweed on tools and habitation sites at Monte
Verde, Chile have now been radio-carbon dated at 14,000 years ago, the same dates as the footprints and artifacts Dillehay found at Monte
Verde years ago.
Here is the URL for an article on that discovery;
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... t-american...
2) The discovery of human coprolites at Paisley Cave, Oregon also
dated recently at 14,500 years ago.
Here is the URL for an article on that discovery;
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... weboldpoop...
3) And now mammoths in association with real tools found in Kenosha with the mammoths dated at 14,500 years ago.
Then the question is; how long did it take humans by way of canoe,
traveling by traditional fission-fusion patterns of hunters/gatherers,
to get to Oregon, across North America to Wisconsin and to Southern
Chile. Obviously, first entry into North and then South America had to
have begun long before 14,500 years ago to have humans in Chile,
Wisconsin and Oregon by 14,500 years ago. But the three discoveries I
have mentioned are the ones that are the most compelling by way of
proof of Pre-Clovis.
I am aware that many are absolutely convinced that the much earlier dates claimed at the Topper Site and Meadowcroft Rock Shelter are real and I understand why.
I always await independent verification for extraordinary claims.
Having said that, here are my feelings;
I will repeat the point I made earlier that the proven materials at Monte Verde and Paisley Cave and in Wisconsin of a human presence at 14,500 years ago opens the obvious scenario that these human artifacts could not have been found there unless the humans began traveling from Asia and entered the Americas long before.
Beyond that are the statements made by linguistic researchers that the several hundred distinct languages that existed in the New World by the time of European entry could not have evolved into that many
distinct languages without men having been in the New World going back to 40,000-50,000 years ago. No one has argued with the linguistic math of these statements but archaeologists still await evidence in hand.
There has also been some scattered studies based on the genetics of
modern day Latin Americans and Native Americans that point to their
ancestry in the Americas going back to 40,000-50,000 BC. But those
studies are contradicted by other genetic studies.
I think it is obvious that the humans in Oregon, Chile and Wisconsin
who lived there 14,500 years ago were descendants of immigrants who entered the New World long before. There is no way that they could have been found in these places without a much earlier entry.
And the dates of 40,000-50,000 BC for the first entry, given
everything we know, does not seem out of the question.
There has been so much science fiction archaeology in print over the
years that I can understand the care any serious researcher is going
to take in saying that outright without organic evidence rightly dated
and confirmed by independent observers who are objective and careful.
Mike Ruggeri
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