A great, and very pro boat, article from yesterday’s news page.
http://www.straight.com/article-152876/ ... -seafarers
The Chinese on the West Coast
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Daughter was told the Chinese were probably in British Columbia at least 2000 years ago. She, who taking a cruise to Alaska, and boarding the ship in Vancourver, B.C. remarked that they had never left. She said it appeared at least 50% of everybody she saw, and the stores, were Chinese. Perhaps a small reservation will be set aside for WASP in the desert soon.
This post considers the era of prehistoric plank boats in Africa, Northern Europe, and Asia, the populations extant at that time. The conclusion is that there seems to be evidence supporting in the thread-starter article by Daniel Wood that at least accidental voyages were made from the China Seas to North America. And that Africans could have been involved as much as whites or Asians.
http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects ... 11-04.html
The text of the above web page is below:
LEGEND: This page concerns sewed plank boats. In Egypt, the expedition to Punt crossed the desert. These sewn plank boats would be disassembled for the desert-crossing. This gives an idea for how portable these boats could be. However, the dug-out canoe likely preceded the plank boats by tens of thousands of years though the earliest remains of dug-outs only dates back to near 6000 BC. There are two interesting things in plank boat history.
The first is that the earliest are found in North Africa [1] and the second earliest is the longest of all on this page - it is from Mali of 6500 BC. The next surprise is a plank boat in Finland at 4500 BC [3] and with sails! [3] Plank boats begin to appear everywhere after several thousand years. They are found in Crete [6], Thera [8, 10], Syria [7], Denmark [9], Vietname [5] and Japan [11]. What will prove to be interesting is any possible relationship between the animal-headed Egyptian boat in [2] and Northern European boats of the late Mesolithic to early Neolithic.
These were animal skin boats with the heads of the animals still attached. There is no question but that these will be found in later history in Japan, Korea, and the South Pacific. They are even found among the Celts. The question is, though, was there any connection between such boat and those of Egypt such as in [2].
For the record, however, note that on other web pages in this site, it is shown that the African was also found in Northern Europe (see the EUROPE section). It must remain an open question that North African ships of the early Neolithic [e.g. 1, 2] found their way to Northern Europe and elsewhere around the world.
http://www.beforebc.de/600_fareast/02-16-600-06-04.html
The text of the above web page is below:
Chinese civilization began in the Central Plain and Yellow River Basin to one side of the Yantze River. This was in an area made accessible by the eventual draining of post-glacial floods subsiding sufficiently to permit human occupation near 4000 BC. The first inhabitants were paleo-Asians (i.e. Africans) and typified in the column of figures to the left.
This culture emerged, archeologists say, “full-blown” showing no “development” as it was “complete.” It proved to be a transplant, a microcosm, of both near eastern and African culture with pottery, sun-dried bricks, agriculture, pastoralism, bronze [2],jade [3], silver [4], and gold-working technology (copied by the Chinese), similar class structures, and artistic motifs. This, focusing on the Shang (see pictures in column) form what can be called the Mother Civilization of China - Chinese have traditionally denied the point. Pictures tell the truth.
Cattle-raising, pastoralism, began in Africa (see [Footnote]). The set of six images above the left column of faces shows identical Neolithic pastoral art and society that spread from Africa (pics. 1, 3) to Anatolia (pics. 2, 5), to China (pics. 3, 6); with man and cattle in the first row [B.], [C], and [E], and cattle-head altars in the second. Note both red and black figures of men in [A], [C], and [D]. [Footnote] Olivier Hanotte, et. al., African Pastoralism: Genetic Imprints of Origins and Migrations, Science, 12 Apr 2002.
The two pictures directly above show, in my opinion, an Egyptian influence or presence. This is seen in the pyramids guarded by an immense, imposing lion. Next. To their right are rows of uniform statues like those found on the Avenue of Rams in Luxor, Egypt or the Avenue of Lions in Fayoum, Egypt. Then we come to the double lions below: one pair from Egypt, the other, stylized lions, on the gates of Shang - the center-face appears Negroid, not Asian.
The lively bronze of dancers at this column-end is from the West Han Hsi Dynasty (206 BC to 220 AD). Most Chinese folk tales, even gods, have African equivalents. Chinese family names like Kung, Mao, Kang, Gao, Kim, Jang, Huang, Shanghai, Yao, are African tribal names. (names found in book of Yale anthropologist: G. P. Murdock, Africa – its peoples and their cultural history, (McGraw-Hill, Inc., New York, 1959). Following the African foundation of earliest civilization in China, for some hundreds of years, the population became phenotypic mulatto, meaning to say the facial features of the African and Asian blended in single faces (see pic. No. 9). Finally, the Asian would come to dominate carrying on the progress of civilization established by Africans following their establishment in Asia after Ghengis and Kubla Khan.
CONCLUSION There seems to be evidence supporting in the thread-starter article by Daniel Wood that at least accidental voyages were made from the China Seas to North America. And that Africans could have been involved as much as whites or Asians in these trans-Pacific voyages.
http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects ... 11-04.html
The text of the above web page is below:
LEGEND: This page concerns sewed plank boats. In Egypt, the expedition to Punt crossed the desert. These sewn plank boats would be disassembled for the desert-crossing. This gives an idea for how portable these boats could be. However, the dug-out canoe likely preceded the plank boats by tens of thousands of years though the earliest remains of dug-outs only dates back to near 6000 BC. There are two interesting things in plank boat history.
The first is that the earliest are found in North Africa [1] and the second earliest is the longest of all on this page - it is from Mali of 6500 BC. The next surprise is a plank boat in Finland at 4500 BC [3] and with sails! [3] Plank boats begin to appear everywhere after several thousand years. They are found in Crete [6], Thera [8, 10], Syria [7], Denmark [9], Vietname [5] and Japan [11]. What will prove to be interesting is any possible relationship between the animal-headed Egyptian boat in [2] and Northern European boats of the late Mesolithic to early Neolithic.
These were animal skin boats with the heads of the animals still attached. There is no question but that these will be found in later history in Japan, Korea, and the South Pacific. They are even found among the Celts. The question is, though, was there any connection between such boat and those of Egypt such as in [2].
For the record, however, note that on other web pages in this site, it is shown that the African was also found in Northern Europe (see the EUROPE section). It must remain an open question that North African ships of the early Neolithic [e.g. 1, 2] found their way to Northern Europe and elsewhere around the world.
http://www.beforebc.de/600_fareast/02-16-600-06-04.html
The text of the above web page is below:
Chinese civilization began in the Central Plain and Yellow River Basin to one side of the Yantze River. This was in an area made accessible by the eventual draining of post-glacial floods subsiding sufficiently to permit human occupation near 4000 BC. The first inhabitants were paleo-Asians (i.e. Africans) and typified in the column of figures to the left.
This culture emerged, archeologists say, “full-blown” showing no “development” as it was “complete.” It proved to be a transplant, a microcosm, of both near eastern and African culture with pottery, sun-dried bricks, agriculture, pastoralism, bronze [2],jade [3], silver [4], and gold-working technology (copied by the Chinese), similar class structures, and artistic motifs. This, focusing on the Shang (see pictures in column) form what can be called the Mother Civilization of China - Chinese have traditionally denied the point. Pictures tell the truth.
Cattle-raising, pastoralism, began in Africa (see [Footnote]). The set of six images above the left column of faces shows identical Neolithic pastoral art and society that spread from Africa (pics. 1, 3) to Anatolia (pics. 2, 5), to China (pics. 3, 6); with man and cattle in the first row [B.], [C], and [E], and cattle-head altars in the second. Note both red and black figures of men in [A], [C], and [D]. [Footnote] Olivier Hanotte, et. al., African Pastoralism: Genetic Imprints of Origins and Migrations, Science, 12 Apr 2002.
The two pictures directly above show, in my opinion, an Egyptian influence or presence. This is seen in the pyramids guarded by an immense, imposing lion. Next. To their right are rows of uniform statues like those found on the Avenue of Rams in Luxor, Egypt or the Avenue of Lions in Fayoum, Egypt. Then we come to the double lions below: one pair from Egypt, the other, stylized lions, on the gates of Shang - the center-face appears Negroid, not Asian.
The lively bronze of dancers at this column-end is from the West Han Hsi Dynasty (206 BC to 220 AD). Most Chinese folk tales, even gods, have African equivalents. Chinese family names like Kung, Mao, Kang, Gao, Kim, Jang, Huang, Shanghai, Yao, are African tribal names. (names found in book of Yale anthropologist: G. P. Murdock, Africa – its peoples and their cultural history, (McGraw-Hill, Inc., New York, 1959). Following the African foundation of earliest civilization in China, for some hundreds of years, the population became phenotypic mulatto, meaning to say the facial features of the African and Asian blended in single faces (see pic. No. 9). Finally, the Asian would come to dominate carrying on the progress of civilization established by Africans following their establishment in Asia after Ghengis and Kubla Khan.
CONCLUSION There seems to be evidence supporting in the thread-starter article by Daniel Wood that at least accidental voyages were made from the China Seas to North America. And that Africans could have been involved as much as whites or Asians in these trans-Pacific voyages.
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