No.....Thera blew up all right...the whole phrase was "if" Thera blew up c 1625 which seems pretty likely thanks to science
i know that thera blew up but 'when' depends upon which science you believe and i am sure it is easier to believe those who do not substantiated the thera-exodus connection.
spyridon marinatos, puts the end about early 1500's (national geographic may 1972) so it all depends on who or what you want to believe.
spyridon marinatos, puts the end about early 1500's (national geographic may 1972) so it all depends on who or what you want to believe
And once again we see you seizing on evidence from 34 years ago while ignoring the ice core and C14 dating which has just been done. You have scientific blinders on.
Get with the program and stop making a fool out of yourself trying to maintain that the bible is anything other than a pile of horse dung.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
The Bible does not really have many reliable dates in it, and certainly the claim that Methuselah lived more than 900 years tends to cast doubt on the few that are found.
So if the dates in there are kind of fuzzy, so also are the attempts to pin rather exact dates on just when the Israelites were wandering about. Still and all, I do agree that if the volcanic explosion of Thera took place around 1650 BCE rather than say just before 1300 BCE, some people's ideas about the seven plagues of Egypt need attention, as do several other awfully handy explanations of events of the time.
Trying to fit the Thera explosion into place as some sort of proof of God's will working upon the world, and validating Biblical accounts, is more bunkum. It is an example of people cramming events into their handy need for proofs. The physical facts (and I am not certain some of this dating is all that reliable - ONE OLIVE BRANCH?) exist quite independely of any one person's craving for something that may or may not be connected at all.
It is an example of people cramming events into their handy need for proofs
no, it is an example of other people with their alternative closed system producing their form of bunkum.
thera is a possiblity and a very strong possibility and i would question any dating system and theory that separates it from the exodus. now granted God does not need thera's explosion to do His work, but you know what, thre is a reason why He did and most likjely it is because as peaceful as the minoans may have been, the3y were probably as sinful as sodom and gomorrah in their own way.
sin is punished, you can't escape the fact no matter how hard you try to manipulate the facts.
It is an example of people cramming events into their handy need for proofs
no, it is an example of other people with their alternative closed system producing their form of bunkum.
thera is a possiblity and a very strong possibility and i would question any dating system and theory that separates it from the exodus. now granted God does not need thera's explosion to do His work, but you know what, thre is a reason why He did and most likjely it is because as peaceful as the minoans may have been, the3y were probably as sinful as sodom and gomorrah in their own way.
sin is punished, you can't escape the fact no matter how hard you try to manipulate the facts.
to you maybe, for me it is stating my point of view.
And once again we see you seizing on evidence from 34 years ago while ignoring the ice core and C14 dating which has just been done
will someone please tell minimalist that all truth is not found inthe modern age, given the fallibility of the researchers involved and that time has no effect on the truth no matter what modern studies may say.
one man's opinion is one man's opinion and since the man died in 1972, it is hard for him to change that conclusion but i doubt if he would.
since there is so many clouds of doubt hanging over modern investigation it is a wonder that anyone would rely on their findings.
given the fallibility of the researchers involved and that time has no effect on the truth no matter what modern studies may say.
As opposed to the 'infallibility' of your goatherders guide to the universe?
Get with the program, arch. Science marches on and the bible is toast.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
BTW, arch, your boy Marinatos may have died in 1972 but his theory of the explosion of Thera in 1500 BC dates from 1939. Given the advances in science since then, it really does have to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
Along with the bible.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
your boy Marinatos may have died in 1972 but his theory of the explosion of Thera in 1500 BC dates from 1939. Given the advances in science since then, it really does have to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
this post is made solely for the purpose to bug minimalist----
again age of a theory doesn't make it wrong nor does the modern advancements in science automatically make that data correct. it all boils down to the researcher making the conclusions, his/her beliefs, his/her bias, his/her purpose and so on.
blind faith in scientific advancement is not healthy.
Stating and re-stating that you will cling to any obsolete theory because it suits your parochial purpose doesn't bug me at all.
BTW, do you still think the Earth is flat?
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Going back to my original thought...The eurption of Thera, and subsequent crop failures, could have been the motivation for mass migrations of several disparate peoples...
Barracuda wrote:Going back to my original thought...The eurption of Thera, and subsequent crop failures, could have been the motivation for mass migrations of several disparate peoples...
With the c. 1625 date it seems that Bronze Age cultures hung on for several centuries. That would be a long time to be hungry. But it seems reasonable to suggest that Thera set off a train of events which led to the end of Bronze Age cultures. There is a lot of arguing going on over whether the Sea Peoples were the cause or the result of the collapse of those civilizations.
Let's, for the sake of argument alone, suggest that the Minoan navy maintained their version of a Pax Brittania on the sea lanes. Suddenly removing that navy would inevitably lead to a rise in piracy.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Few peoples are described in the Bible with as much hostility as the Philistines, who lived in the coastal plain during the period it documents. In Judges and in 1 Samuel, the Philistines are described as being "uncircumcised" and presented as one of the most despised enemies of the Jewish people and its leaders, from Samson to King David. Recent archaeological discoveries in Israel, however, cast a different light on the relations between the two peoples. Research into the dispersal of Philistine cooking methods among various populations in Israel shows that the Philistines spread their culture beyond the areas under their control. While the two cultures never mixed, the early Hebrews apparently copied many important components of the Philistine lifestyle.
The Philistine culture. From Archaeologica News. I had to go way back to find this old thread.
"There's no doubt that the social organization of the Philistines was much more developed than that of the Israelites, and apparently of the Canaanites as well.
In my continuing bashing of Arch over at Koko's!
Thanks, bro.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
