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Well, THIS was a (land)bridge anyway!

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Ancient Mediterranean flood mystery solved

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The team made a reconstruction of the Mediterranean during the "megaflood"

Research has revealed details of the catastrophic Zanclean flood that refilled the Mediterranean Sea more than five million years ago.
The flood occurred when Atlantic waters found their way into the cut-off and desiccated Mediterranean basin.
The researchers say that a 200km channel across the Gibraltar strait was carved out by the floodwaters.
Their findings, published in Nature, show that the resulting flood could have filled the basin within two years.
The team was led by Daniel Garcia-Castellanos from the Research Council of Spain (CSIC).
He explained that he and his colleagues laid the foundations for this study by working on tectonic lakes.

This... may have involved peak rates of sea level rise in the Mediterranean of more than 10m per day

They developed a model of how the mountain lakes quickly "cease to exist" when erosion produces "outlet rivers" that drain them.
This same principle, Dr Garcia-Castellanos said, could be used to explain the Zanclean flood that reconnected the Mediterranean with the rest of the World's oceans.
"We could for the first time link the amount of water crossing the channel with the amount of erosion causing it to grow over time," he told BBC News.

New approach
Using existing borehole and seismic data, his team showed how the flood would have begun with water spilling over a sill.
The water would have gradually eroded a channel into the strait, eventually triggering a catastrophic flood, Dr Garcia-Castellanos explained.
He and his colleagues created a computer model to estimate the duration of the flood, and found that, when the "incision channel" reached a critical depth, the water flow sped up.
In a period ranging from a few months to two years, the scientists say that 90% of the water was transferred into the basin.
"This extremely abrupt flood may have involved peak rates of sea level rise in the Mediterranean of more than 10m per day," he and his colleagues wrote in the Nature paper.
Previous estimates of the duration of the flood were very variable, said Dr Garcia-Castellanos, because scientists "had to assume the size of the channel" rather than measure it.
Some estimates suggested that the flood continued for as long as 10,000 years.
Rob Govers, a geoscientist from Utrecht University in the Netherlands, who was not involved in this study, said that the findings were important.
"I think the authors have been very creative using existing data and making sense of it in a completely new way," he said.
Dr Govers said the next important step would be to measure the volume of breccia, or ancient eroded material, in the strait, to confirm whether there was enough material there to have filled the flood channel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8404363.stm

And now let the Turks do the same thing with the Bosporus and Euxine Lake.
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"And now let the Turks do the same thing with the Bosporus and Euxine Lake."

It dosen't take the Turks.
Just a well funded and headline hungry guy.

This is from the Nat Geo in 2000.

"Last year, Ballard and his colleagues found proof that a catastrophic flood inundated the Black Sea in the region north of Turkey. The place and date of the flood—which may have occurred around 5,500 B.C.—correspond to the time and location of the Old Testament account of Noah. "
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kbs2244 wrote:"And now let the Turks do the same thing with the Bosporus and Euxine Lake."

It dosen't take the Turks.
Just a well funded and headline hungry guy.

This is from the Nat Geo in 2000.

"Last year, Ballard and his colleagues found proof that a catastrophic flood inundated the Black Sea in the region north of Turkey. The place and date of the flood—which may have occurred around 5,500 B.C.—correspond to the time and location of the Old Testament account of Noah. "
Yes, I know that. Saw it. But it's been remarkably quiet on that front since then, while I'll bet there is much more insight to be gained on what happened then, where it happened (the Black Sea is a big place!), and why and how it happened. Plus: what about the culture(s) that were inundated then, and forced into a diaspora? What culture(s) was/were that? Where did it/they come from? What happened to them after that flood? Etc. etc.
Lots of loose ends, imo.
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Well,
If you want to follow that line or reasoning,
what kind of cultures were destroyed when the Med was flooded?

It is bigger then the Black Sea.

And had a longer “meeting line” between the continents than the Black Sea.

I will have to check my globe as far a feeding rivers are concerned,
Bu the Nile and those off the south side of the Alps must have provided some water for habitation.
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As I recall the whole Black Sea flood thing was debunked a couple of years ago by geologists....from Romania?
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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kbs2244 wrote:Well,
If you want to follow that line or reasoning,
what kind of cultures were destroyed when the Med was flooded?

It is bigger then the Black Sea.

And had a longer “meeting line” between the continents than the Black Sea.

I will have to check my globe as far a feeding rivers are concerned,
Bu the Nile and those off the south side of the Alps must have provided some water for habitation.
The Gibraltar collapse and the Med flooding was 4 millennia before the Bosporus collapse and the Euxine lake flooding. Equally interesting in what it meant for, and did to, human cultures in the Med basin, but different, of course. There must be a lot to be discovered there too. The med was basically a dry desert with a couple big lakes in the middle. Like Euxine.

To be sure: the Med was flooded multiple times. The Zanclean flood was more than 5 million years ago. And the last big flooding – the one that must have involved and affected human cultures – was approx. 9,500 years ago.
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Minimalist wrote:As I recall the whole Black Sea flood thing was debunked a couple of years ago by geologists....from Romania?
That's a new one for me. Links?
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Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.

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This is a link off the one you gave Min.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 101207.htm

They use the Danube delta for this study.

In short they say there was a Bosporus flood, but it was only a 5 to 15 meter water level difference, not an 80 meter one.
So they are saying that the salt water flood wasn’t as fast and didn’t cover as much dry ground as the “Noah’s Ark” (I hate that term) theory.

But that wouldn’t explain the evidence of settlements, apparently left hastily, at the depths that Ballard found them.
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