The Old World is a reference to those parts of Earth known to Europeans before the voyages of Christopher Columbus; it includes Europe, Asia and Africa.
6. Those stating that the Qeiyafa Ostracon is written in the Hebrew language are probably stating more than the data allow. Among the words that have been mentioned in various places (publications, blogs, etc.) as demonstrative of Hebrew are the following:
Khirbet Qeiyafa being the alleged fort found on the road between Philistia and Jerusalem.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
6. Those stating that the Qeiyafa Ostracon is written in the Hebrew language are probably stating more than the data allow. Among the words that have been mentioned in various places (publications, blogs, etc.) as demonstrative of Hebrew are the following:
Khirbet Qeiyafa being the alleged fort found on the road between Philistia and Jerusalem.
Good article. Thanks for posting the link.
"Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test." ~ Robert G. Ingersoll
"Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer." ~ Alexander Pope
I picked up these two translations....from obviously different sources... of the inscription.
A. Translation on John Hobbins’ website:
1 Do not do [anything bad?], and serve [personal name?]
2 ruler of [geographical name?] . . . ruler . . .
3 [geographical names?] . . .
4 [unclear] and wreak judgment on YSD king of Gath . . .
5 seren of G[aza? . . .] [unclear] . . .
B. Translation “provided by the University of Haifa”:
1 you shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord].
2 Judge the sla[ve] and the wid[ow] / Judge the orph[an]
3 [and] the stranger. [Pl]ead for the infant / plead for the po[or and]
4 the widow. Rehabilitate [the poor] at the hands of the king.
5 Protect the po[or and] the slave / [supp]ort the stranger
It points up the astonishing difficulty in making a translation and also (apparently) the fact that people cannot even agree what the words are.
It reminds me of the Gabriel Revelation Stone controversy touched off by Prof. Israel Knohl.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Min, thanks for sending this over to us. His point, though, that the writing is Proto Phoenician and not Old Hebrew surely supports the DNA findings that the Jews are just quasi-Phoenicians anyway?
Ishtar wrote:Min, thanks for sending this over to us. His point, though, that the writing is Proto Phoenician and not Old Hebrew surely supports the DNA findings that the Jews are just quasi-Phoenicians anyway?
And weren't the Sea Peoples the progenitors of the (quasi-)Phoenicians? Because if they were, Jews and Philistines/Palestinians descend from the same root....
No. Egyptian records of contact with Phoenician towns goes back to the Old Kingdom and pre-dates the Sea People by over a millenium.
What was always interesting about the Phoenicians was that the Sea Peoples scrupulously left them alone while attacking everyone else in the area. Almost as if the Phoenicians had made some sort of alliance or something.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Ishtar wrote:Min, thanks for sending this over to us. His point, though, that the writing is Proto Phoenician and not Old Hebrew surely supports the DNA findings that the Jews are just quasi-Phoenicians anyway?
Yes they were all Semites, Ish. What still remains an open question is when did these particular residents actually become "Jewish" as we understand the word today?
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
It's in Donald Redford's "Egypt, Canaan and Israel in Ancient Times."
I'll see if I can find it for you.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
During the historic period, at least as early as the 27th century BC but undoubtedly of much higher antiquity the Pharaohs enjoyed a formal trade relationship with Byblos on the Phoenician coast.
Beginning again on page #38 he begins a lengthy discussion of Old Kingdom trade contacts including Lebanese cedar in First Dynasty tombs.
In addition to the occasional written source they have found Egyptian artifacts in Byblos and Phoenician artifacts in Egypt. Redford is also careful to maintain that this was a sea-based trade because (Ta-Da!) they had boats!
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
